US Pilots Labor Discussion 1/13- OBSERVE THE RULES OF THE BOARD!

[nycbusdriver]

Do you mean the name de jour?

No pilot on the planet worked at US Airways prior to 1996 when the rebranding occured, therefore no pilot on our combined list could possibly have worked at US Airways for more than 9 years on the date of the merge. Are you suggesting all east pilots get a DOH in 1996 or later?

Companies update their names all the time. Like Chase Manhattan Bank dropping the "Manhattan" when they thought it was too limiting. But the corporate identity stays intact, just like USAir changing to USAirways because Wolfe thought it sounded more business-like and gave it an international flavor. But that's semantics. You stillhaven't address the fact that you are now operating under the FAA Certificate that was first awarded to All American Airway in the 1940's, and then stayed with the company through three corporate name changes.

Tell me....I ask again (I know you won;t answer it,) where, oh where, is the America West FAA operating certificate if America West is indeed the surviving carrier?

(Sound of crickets inserted here.)

So the current name is US Airways, but when I go to their web site it is still USAirways/AmericaWest.

My guess is that the IT brainiacs in Tempe can't figure out how to lose it. They're still reeling from the stupid move to QuikShares.

I still see the same corporate office, with the same senior officers, in Tempe, when I land at Skyharbor, coincidentally the headquarters of US Airways.

Yes, indeed. The name on the headquarters is USAirways. And those corporate officers? Did you see Vice Chairman Bruce Lakefield around there before 2005 much? How about Vice President for Operations Ed Bular? There are probably others, but I try not to think about Tempe too much. It gives me a headache.

 

[nic4us]

Companies update their names all the time. Like Chase Manhattan Bank dropping the "Manhattan" when they thought it was too limiting. But the corporate identity stays intact, ......................................

Tell me....I ask again (I know you won;t answer it,) where, oh where, is the America West FAA operating certificate if America West is indeed the surviving carrier?

(Sound of crickets inserted here.)

I never said America West was the surviving carrier, I said and still say, America West Holdings was the aquiring company, and by being so could decide which certificate to operate the merged corporation, LCC. Given the choice of either certificate to operate, I would assume the path of least resistance was followed, and the AWA aircraft were moved to the AAA certificate.

Kind of like, Chemical Bank could still borrow from the Fed, even though they took on the Chase Manhattan Bank name when they bought them.

I guess the bottom line question is, who has the control and authourity to modify that certificate with the FAA? Who owns the certificate? Answere, LCC, and LCC is no more All American Airways, than Chase is Manufacturers Hanover, or Chemical Bank or JPMorgan or whoever else got bought up and/or merged along the way.

 

[N924PS]

This is REALLY funny! I have not heard anyone on the east side willing to give in on the Nic. I believe most are ready to dig in and fight this one out to the end.

It ended on May 1, 2007, the date George Nicolau rendered the award.

Keep fighting though ,if it floats your boat, because Seham will gratefully accept USAPAs generous contributions to his firm through the SCOTUS process, if they even bother to hear it.

 

[N924PS]

Your right, but what do you expect from Mr. "my money is on Doug Parker" for everyone else it's a fight to the death!!!

I keep telling you guys but, as always, you never listen.

I am not JS, but he's a good friend of mine.

 

[EastUS]

Time to redefine what you think is the “gold standardâ€￾,

Perhaps it's more the case that it's reasonably time for you and yours to give up petulant and absurdly childish efforts at convincing others, who have far more life and flying experience than yourself, just how and what to think and believe...lest you appear utterly foolish in that absurdly futile quest.....just a kindly suggestion that I'm certain will be completely disregarded.

 

[EastUS]

What is really funny, is that anyone on the east thinks they still have a say in the matter.

Given the above belief structure....I do find it exceedingly strange indeed that west folks see the need for any continued discussion at all......

 

[traderjake]

What do the ghosts from the movie "The Sixth Sense" and USAPA supporters have in common?

They only see what they want to see.

 

[HPDriver]

This is REALLY funny! I have not heard anyone on the east side willing to give in on the Nic. I believe most are ready to dig in and fight this one out to the end. Me included. There is no way this thing is going down like the west believes! Prepare for years of litigation, dragging out, and NO votes. It is the reality of a group that is NOT going to give up their seniority to a bunch of Mesa spawned whiners.

Let me help you find at least one:

OK.....OK I have to admit, the NIC is probably it. Now the Kirby......thats a horse of a different color. I'm color blind so I can't see that horse. If the union put that out for a vote I would vote yes to throwing them off the property. Thats the only yes vote you'd get from me.

 

[nic4us]

I keep telling you guys but, as always, you never listen.

I am not JS, but he's a good friend of mine.

I had met JS, prior to his "my money is on Parker" CLT crew room debut. Not on my jumpseat, just in the terminal in PHX. It was during ops integration, post Nicolau, and I recognized he was an east pilot and I approached him with a question as to how the east pilots handled some operational consideration. Although there was an obvious difference in our age and seniority,( he has the greater of both), he treated me as an equal peer, with the greatest of respect.

You are lucky to have a friend with such a sound understanding of integrity.

If we all had the strength of character JS has, we would not find ourselves in the debacle we are in today.

 

[luvthe9]

I am not JS, but he's a good friend of mine.

Well that speaks volumes!!!!!

 

[cleardirect]

This is REALLY funny! I have not heard anyone on the east side willing to give in on the Nic. I believe most are ready to dig in and fight this one out to the end. Me included. There is no way this thing is going down like the west believes! Prepare for years of litigation, dragging out, and NO votes. It is the reality of a group that is NOT going to give up their seniority to a bunch of Mesa spawned whiners.

Than you need to get out of your little circle of angry F/O’s. As this works its way through court it is getting closer and closer to the end. When the ninth upholds judge Wake you are going to see a lot of east pilots say that they supported the DOH long enough and the junior f/o’s long enough. They did everything they could and allowed it to go to appeal. But it is time to get a new contract now.

They voted for usapa because they thought it was the quicker way to a contract than ALPA. It is now two years and usapa has been unable to deliver DOH or a contract. I think the support for further litigation is done.

Just what YEARS of litigation do you think that you have left? The appeals court is going to rule very soon. I don’t think the will to drag this out to the SCOTUS is there. Besides even if it is the SCOTUS will toss this very quickly. Where do you go from there?

You can vote no as many times as you want, you are but one vote. Your support from the other pilots is shrinking fast. Eventually the east pilots are going to understand and vote for a pay raise and better working conditions.

BTW, I never worked for Mesa, guess you got something else wrong. What seniority did you have? The seniority that allowed you to be furloughed while I had a job? How does that make you senior?

 

[snapthis]

I keep telling you guys but, as always, you never listen.

I am not JS, but he's a good friend of mine.

I wonder if this is the same guy who put a little tyrant in his place during a CLT brown bag lunch? That was Crew News classic. Nicely done!

 

[Ralph]

All of you playing around with this JS business are tiptoeing toward outing another member. I suggest you stop it now. Suspensions will be given with no further warning.

 

[luvthe9]

Than you need to get out of your little circle of angry F/O’s.

Sorry bud, most everyone hear is a fairly senior captian, we just happen to support the junior guys, what a concept huh?

 

[Metroyet]

Sorry bud, most everyone hear is a fairly senior captian, we just happen to support the junior guys, what a concept huh?

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