US Pilot Labor Thread--11/16-23

[aquagreen73s]

Order is out. If you're the company, you're quite happy. If you're a West pilot, you're almost as happy as the company. If you're a uSap . . . stand by for another Nic disappointment.

A trial is coming right after X-mas. The grand uSap experiment is about to become a spectacular failure. Now it's looking like you'll get Nic and LOA 93 ad infinitum. Congrats all.

 

[Pacemaker]

You guys just won't give up will you....

Keep bragging about the $50 hamburgers you can sell even when it costs you $60 to serve them up.

usair tried for two decades the "high yield" experiment and it failed. $5 billion in losses. BK two times. Your high yields are useless when your costs overhwhelm them.

 

[Elevation]

I feel a Booya coming on!

 

[exB717Flyer]

The judge denied the Motion to Dismiss, denied the injunction, and ordered a speedy trial within three months. IMO this is the best result that could've been anticipated.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

I feel a Booya coming on!

Tell that to the TWA pilots who a judge also deemed a trial was necessary to explore DFR violations and 7 years later there is no resolution, or the US AIRWAYS pilots on the EMB 170's, who have a case now 5 years and counting.

 

[exB717Flyer]

The TWA pilots were not granted an accelerated trial schedule like this time. And FYI, the TWA suit has completed discovery and a trial is due next year.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

The judge denied the Motion to Dismiss, denied the injunction, and ordered a speedy trial within three months. IMO this is the best result that could've been anticipated.

IF those are the highlights, I fail to see how it is a victory for anyone. No injunction means the West guys still get furloughed, the company is still not really off the hook until AFTER the trial, and USAPA could still prevail.

I don't see what's so earth shattering here, but I haven't read the opinion yet.

The ONLY good thing I see is that it will come to trial relatively quickly, and that's a win for everyone.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Well, not getting a dismissal is bad news for USAPA but otherwise your interpretation is correct.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Well, not getting a dismissal is bad news for USAPA but otherwise your interpretation is correct.

It's common practice to file a motion to dismiss in just about all legal proceedings. The problem is, that if dismissed, the issue is not usually settled, only postponed. It's probably good that this is going to trial so that it CAN be settled once and for all.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I feel a Booya coming on!

Drink plenty of fluids, get some rest, and you'll feel better in a week to 10 days.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Yes, a speedy trial is very good news indeed.

 

[Tiger 1050]

As a west pilot I'd like to remind my west brothers and sisters to refrain from pompous remarks. Nothing is for sure...

And as a soon to be furloughed pilot I can say that I am somewhat disappointed. No injunctive relief... That would have been nice. However some of the Judges remarks I have been able to see lead me to believe that his thinking is more in line with a more permanent solution rather than a short-term solution as one might find with an injunction. Let's hope that he can stick to the 3 month schedule he pointed out...

Injunction? Maybe something better down the road...

Company? You appear to have gotten a pass this time...

USAPA? It's time to go to court!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

As a west pilot I'd like to remind my west brothers and sisters to refrain from pompous remarks. Nothing is for sure...

And as a soon to be furloughed pilot I can say that I am somewhat disappointed. No injunctive relief...

Let me just say that I'm sorry that ANYONE is getting furloughed. It really sucks to have it happen at all. Maybe if this economy can get turned around soon it can be minimized. Let's just hope that Obama gets his..."cabinet" together!

 

[BoeingBoy]

Pretty hard to talk about CASM without reference to RASM, a number which the East side is ALMOST ALWAYS tops in the industry.

A lot of carriers with low CASM have gone broke. In fact, I'd bet most do, since they can't generate enough revenue to keep going. If CASM were the only measure, AWA would have been an industry behemoth. Guess what? It wasn't.

Get that gem of wisdom while looking for the profits that US was rolling in during the late 90's?

Do a little research instead of assuming that everything said by someone you disagree with is wrong, and you'll find that the RASM differences between HP, US, and LCC track with the differences in CASM. It's the relationship of RASM (all op revenue, not just pax revenue) to CASM that's important. Routes with RASM that made them profitable at HP's CASM are unprofitable at LCC's CASM. Likewise there are routes that produce RASM to be profitable at LCC's CASM wouldn't be profitable at US' CASM. Fuel cost increases have certainly affected the profitability of some routes on both sides, but it's the merger that has made the big difference.

After all, if the East routes are so profitable, why did US go through BK twice and stand on the verge of collapse? If West routes are so unprofitable, why was HP not in BK?

Jim

 

[hp_fa]

The next interesting part for me will be to see when the trial is set for, whether the defendants counsel complain of "schedule conflicts" and how the judge resolves all of that.