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US IAM Fleet Service topic 3/20-
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Hadenough
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Go PHX GO ! go PHX go!!!
We have some of the smartest people !!!
Thats like cheering "We're #1, We're #1" and all the while being down by 20 points.
goodfellow
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Kinda reminds me of the Scarecrow from the Wizard of OZ! Needing a brain!
freedom
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CIC lost .... i think it was PHX who told you this would be the case ...
contract vote yes .... that was us telling you why you should do it ....
if it wasn't for US ... you'd have no contract , and you'd be waiting until dec31st 2009 ....
ah hahahahahaha and seeing what we can see now , we ALL know that would have been contract sucidide ...by that time we'd be negoating pay CUTS ...
PHX 50 - you guys 15
contract vote yes .... that was us telling you why you should do it ....
if it wasn't for US ... you'd have no contract , and you'd be waiting until dec31st 2009 ....
ah hahahahahaha and seeing what we can see now , we ALL know that would have been contract sucidide ...by that time we'd be negoating pay CUTS ...PHX 50 - you guys 15
ChockJockey
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So what are you inferring? That your opinion is the only one that's relevant or well-considered and is somehow intelligent or inherently correct? That only your solutions can work? If that's the case then I'd just assume disagree with someone so apparently self-righteous and lacking capacity for empathy.
I may not agree with you, but at least I can see where you're coming from and why you feel the way you do. It's difficult trying to reason with someone who is unwilling or unable to even consider what it's like for people on the other side of the issue; it's insulting being called "stupid" by those very same people.
In my life I have never seen such a massing of brains, talent, experience, knowledge, and personality than the ramp in PHX. I've slung bags side by side with business owners, educators, engineers, accountants, pilots, musicians, graphic designers, and a great many college students. We have our share of idiots, but PHX by and large is not "needing a brain".
roabilly
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- Feb 17, 2008
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Your perception is your reality! We are fighting to represent workers who have long term aspirations in the business. I’ll assure you that you will find few... if any of your mentioned professionals and business owners in Fleet Service here.
We have only hard working, loyal; career minded...workers with decades of experience. All these devoted folk’s have seen this industry through a myriad of changes. Mostly for the worse! They have families to raise... bills to pay... this is not some little extra job that provides flying benefits while they pursue outside endeavors. This is their livelihood!
Not that flying benefits even matter anymore... you ain’t gettin’ on most flights... and if you do... you ain’t gittin’ back!
So... adamantly proclaims...
Roabilly
P.S. how many of these folk's are still working beside you?
Harry Callahan
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Just curious, if you can comment, where are you all getting these people from & why would they work for US ?
Tim Nelson
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Freedom,CIC lost .... i think it was PHX who told you this would be the case ...
contract vote yes .... that was us telling you why you should do it ....
if it wasn't for US ... you'd have no contract , and you'd be waiting until dec31st 2009 ....
PHX 50 - you guys 15
First off, I recognize that you have participated in your craft simply by spending time coming on this forum to express your opinions in a passionate way regarding some difficult issues over the past few years. I'm always encouraged when the masses think it's worth their time to come here, i.e., a coffee shop if you will, to discuss and engage in common issues.
Obviously, in any free and democratic situation there will always be different opinion but a pool of many voices give us the opportunity to wrestle and unpack issues and to look at things differently and come to reasonable conclusions reached by the majority...provided there is freedom through a democratic process whereby each voice can be heard.
Regarding the contract vote, there was a compelling and convincing argument to get a transition as the majority of workers felt this was the best argument. The good thing is that the IAM doesn't muzzle the voice but allows the freedom and exprression of voting, this type of democracy empowers the masses at the city gates.
At any rate, the majority decided, not you, not me, not just PHX, but the majority. That's actually a right that the IAM constitution gives that other unions don't give to its members. Ask the ticket counter folks if they had a voice in their contract.
I don't think it serves any useful purpose to be a 'stationist' and to lift up one station over another. It's all 'one blood'.
regards,
Tim Nelson
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Ooh Ooh, I field this one. I'll answer the question with a short story.
About 10 years ago I dated a CSR(ticket agent) that thought all rampers were a bunch of retards, idiots, brain dead, monkeys. I defended our guys by telling her that I work with a bunch of really smart people. She wanted proof.
So I conducted a little survey.
I asked my co-workers if they had went to college, what they studied, and if they received a degree. Most were hesitant to answer what they felt was a personal question. After explaining what the situation was, their hesitancy gave way to pride, and out flew the answers.
I returned the list of names to my girlfriend, who was astounded by how many college educated people I worked with. Lawyers, teachers, computer analysts, military men/women, entrepreneurs etc. Why do these people the ramp? Because they want to, plain and simple. Most if not all tried the fields that
they were educated in and didn't like what they were doing. They like the freedom of the ramp, their co-workers, the travel etc. We all have our reasons. It's a fun job. Most people I know that quit always say this miss it. Granted they make more money now, but they all miss it.
freedom
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i am by no means stationist , i do understand that if not for the field stations and the people who voted yes in the other hubs that we wouldn''t have a contract ... (THANK YOU!)
i was merely pointing out the times when we've been on the right side of the wall on issues ...
it's alot like chock jockey posted , it seems to me that there are more close minded people on here than open minded .... :down:
N965VJ
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The bar across the street from the Post Office in Monaca, PA is/was owned by some rampers in PIT, and there was a flower shop at the Beaver Valley Mall owned by a ramper (or maybe a FA).
Jester
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My Dear Mr. Roabilly,
Mr. ChockJockey is not only correct, he has "genius" written all over him and the apparent patience of a saint as demonstrated in his posts.
However, your response adds to what I called the "victimization mentality" by those who are most adamant in blind, unyielding support for this union leadership, because without the union, you would all be lost. Instead of improving yourselves educationally or in a skill set, you all grasp to an economic anachronism to a begone era. This union works "best" only when people are completely dependant upon it for survival, and frankly, many in PHX do not wish to place themselves into that position as they have other options available due to a better skills set, education, business interests, etc. While many talented and educated people have their reasons to mash bags given other employment options and I doubt any of the PHX FSA's wish for US to close, but if it happens then life goes on, while the East guys are staring into an economic abyss. Your victim mentality will come full circle to when "The Man" is holding down your wages, to when "The Man" closes the doors and you have no wages. You are completely depending your livelihood upon the survival of US??? Everyone should ask themselves, "If US closes tomorrow, realistically how much could I earn with another job?"
You will always be a "victim" so long as you cannot support yourself without being part of a sycophantic collective worshipping a bloated, talentless leadership which depends upon the survival of a shaky industry managed by suspect Administrators. Now go get an education or some real job skills and stop making excuses (which appears to be another "hallmark" on the East).
So Admonishes Jester.
blownkneesbob
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it just astonishes me how some people like jester can just seem to throw their union out the window
and could care less about being union but yet if they weren't union they would be making substandard wages
with crazy work rules . Maybe some of you who are so opposed to the union and what it stands for should
take the time to watch a movie about some coalminers and what the union meant to them .
it's called "Matewan" . It's just disgraceful the way people want to bash there union but yet still reap all the benefits it offers. If Vince H. and the old school boys were still around they wouldn't be having this conversation. but I guess growing up and living out west the culture is of a non union mentality .
and could care less about being union but yet if they weren't union they would be making substandard wages
with crazy work rules . Maybe some of you who are so opposed to the union and what it stands for should
take the time to watch a movie about some coalminers and what the union meant to them .
it's called "Matewan" . It's just disgraceful the way people want to bash there union but yet still reap all the benefits it offers. If Vince H. and the old school boys were still around they wouldn't be having this conversation. but I guess growing up and living out west the culture is of a non union mentality .
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They dont realize people were killed in order to get the right to be in a union, but if they were SO educated they would know that.
Haymarket Square and numerous other events in history show the violence used against workers to oppress them and not let them organize into being represented by a union.
Haymarket Square and numerous other events in history show the violence used against workers to oppress them and not let them organize into being represented by a union.
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