Us Airways May Cut 914 Utility Jobs

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UAL_Tech:

Friday’s testimony featured Seabury Group CEO John Luth who was a very strong company witness. Luth seemed to cement the company’s case under oath discussing US Airways’ financing, EETC issues, the recent GE agreement, and the ATSB requirements.

In fact, Luth told the court about one meeting he and Lakefield (and others) had with the head of GECAS, and that this individual reported directly to Jeff Imelt, GE CEO. The implication was simple: GE’s top officer and chief executive was monitoring US Airways’ formal reorganization and this is “big time†where the creditors are calling the shots. Do I like this? No, of course not, but the testimony supports everything ALPA’s advisors told the MEC during “open†and “closed†session.

Luth was the last company witness and then the company rested its case.

Then the IAM attorney’s began to present their case basically stating the company was overreaching, but the IAM’s legal team was tripped up during cross examination.

The IAM put IAM negotiator Joseph Adinolfi on the witness stand and he said the union offered to present the company’s proposal to the rank-and-file for membership ratification and then he said the company said to not send it out. However, during cross examination Adinolfi provided the rest of the story when he acknowledged the reason the company did not want it sent it out was the company said there was still negotiating room from the opener.

Under cross examination he was asked if the union had provided a counter proposal. He confirmed that no, they had not.

What is interesting is that the IAM has indicated the company was negotiating in bad faith, but all the IAM has done is state that the “concession stand is closed†and then incredibly on Friday was forced to admit that they have never, not once, provided the company with a counterproposal or offer. The courtroom was silent and you could hear a pin drop when after nearly one year of trying to negotiate with the IAM, the union has not given the company one, not one offer.

Why? The IAM has no intent on reaching an agreement and US Airways members will be sacrificed because the survival of the union is more important than the members. In fact, the company’s attorney asked him if the IAM planned on providing one. Adinolfi said yes, and when asked when it would be forthcoming he said next week, just a few days before the S.1113© hearings end.

Another words, the IAM told the court they will give the company their first proposal just before the hearings end. Does that seem a little strange or maybe bad faith on the union’s part?

With all that said, it appears the company is going to give the IAM a way out of this mess with one last chance to cut a deal before likely “impositionâ€. Adinolfi noted he was "shocked" by the company's comment in-court that management had developed an alternate plan that would cut fewer IAM jobs. Adinolfi said the union hadn't seen that alternative plan, but that he would like to meet with the management on Monday to discuss the new concept.

UAL_Tech, the IAM has backed them self into a corner because of their fear of AMFA. The IAM knows it would be political suicide to cut a deal that cuts its membership, thus they have let other negotiators know they prefer "imposition". In fact, even the Tribune-Review got it right when the noted the company attorney asked Adimolfy if the union was “reluctant to negotiate with US Airways†because the union had been decertified at United Airlines after negotiating an agreement that permitted outsourcing of heavy maintenance and work force reductions. "We are not concerned" about being kicked out at US Airways, Adimolfy said.

UAL_Tech, guess what…that is the whole problem, but the company has provided the IAM with a window of opportunity to save itself with their alternative proposal. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
For the life of me, I can't figure out why you guys keep responding to this douche bag.
 
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Walmartgreeter:

Thanks for the professional response -- your comments fit your demeanor. By the way, I see you went to F/O on the B757 in PIT.

Best regards,

USA320pilot
 
The Company is not negotiating in good faith, as they have proposals that will gut the IAM and CWA.....

The IAM is not trying to save the union, in fact, the opposite. They are defending their members at all cost. They are behaving the way a union should behave in putting their members WORK first.

The interest is not that of the company comes first; but rather the membership's work comes first. IF the work is not here for the majority of their members, then there is no interest for its membership.

If the company refuses to work out an acceptable agreement for the IAM members, then that means the company is willing to take the risks associated with not negotiating in "good faith". That goes for AFA as well.

We have already given up 20,000 jobs. Now the company has a business plan that transforms itself to a "walmart" with slave wages, impoverishing the workers, outsourcing jobs, for the stakeholders' interest.

In that equation, it does not make sense for the employees to continue to sacrifice themselves for an entitiy that is motivated by only money, managment greed,and no humanity for its workers.

Future profit sharing, like previous proposals, doesn't fly, when the worker will lose their home and financial security, retirement in this process. Having a profit check in the future when one loses their home in the process of huge losses and sacrifice, just won't serve any purpose but having "chomp change".
 
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PitBull:

The company has offered all of its unions market rate contracts, which will be obtained by negotiation or imposition. Why? The financial community has made it clear that without the cost cut targets met, there will be no financing and no company. Then who loses, the employees. Therefore, if an employee does not want ot work under the creditor required terms, then they can resign.

What's interesting is that the majority of the F/A's I talk to want a deal and are willing to accept the company's latest terms, thus the shallow CHAOS or "self help" threat does not hold a lot of weight. Guess what? The company knows this.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
USA320,

The co. latest terms? What might they be?

There has not been a proposal out there since BK filing.

Please explain yourself?

Unionized workers will not resign. After all, they have a vote to take :up:
 
USA320Pilot said:
Walmartgreeter:

Thanks for the professional response -- your comments fit your demeanor. By the way, I see you went to F/O on the B757 in PIT.

Best regards,

USA320pilot
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By the way, I still see you are leaving your family alone in PIT to commute to the small base in LGA, where everyone is so junior they HAVE to fly with you. Any harrasement problems lately? Any F/Os refusing to fly with you?I DO NOT fly the 757 in PIT. You, as always, are an ass. Greeter. (your dad says he wants you to come back home...you are leaving him with all the problems associated with raising a family from New York)
 
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PITBull:

PITBull said: "The co. latest terms? What might they be? There has not been a proposal out there since BK filing. Please explain yourself?"

USA320Pilot asks: What union are you talking about?

PITBull said: "Unionized workers will not resign. After all, they have a vote to take."

USA320Pilot comments: Nobody is forcing an employee to work at US Airways and it is their option to work at the company. In regard to a vote, there must be a TA before there can be a vote. No voting is required for "imposition".

Regards,

USA320pilot
 
USA320Pilot said:
UAL_Tech:

Friday’s testimony featured Seabury Group CEO John Luth who was a very strong company witness. Luth seemed to cement the company’s case under oath discussing US Airways’ financing, EETC issues, the recent GE agreement, and the ATSB requirements.

In fact, Luth told the court about one meeting he and Lakefield (and others) had with the head of GECAS, and that this individual reported directly to Jeff Imelt, GE CEO. The implication was simple: GE’s top officer and chief executive was monitoring US Airways’ formal reorganization and this is “big time†where the creditors are calling the shots. Do I like this? No, of course not, but the testimony supports everything ALPA’s advisors told the MEC during “open†and “closed†session.

Luth was the last company witness and then the company rested its case.

Then the IAM attorney’s began to present their case basically stating the company was overreaching, but the IAM’s legal team was tripped up during cross examination.

The IAM put IAM negotiator Joseph Adinolfi on the witness stand and he said the union offered to present the company’s proposal to the rank-and-file for membership ratification and then he said the company said to not send it out. However, during cross examination Adinolfi provided the rest of the story when he acknowledged the reason the company did not want it sent it out was the company said there was still had negotiating room from the opener.

Under cross examination he was asked if the union had provided a counter proposal. He confirmed that no, they had not.

What is interesting is that the IAM has indicated the company was negotiating in bad faith, but all the IAM has done is state that the “concession stand is closed†and then incredibly on Friday was forced to admit that they have never, not once, provided the company with a counterproposal or offer. The courtroom was silent and you could hear a pin drop when after nearly one year of trying to negotiate with the IAM, the union has not given the company one, not one offer.

Why? The IAM has no intent on reaching an agreement and US Airways members will be sacrificed because the survival of the union is more important than the members. In fact, the company’s attorney asked him if the IAM planned on providing one. Adinolfi said yes, and when asked when it would be forthcoming he said next week, just a few days before the S.1113© hearings end.

Another words, the IAM told the court they will give the company their first proposal just before the hearings end. Does that seem a little strange or maybe bad faith on the union’s part?

With all that said, it appears the company is going to give the IAM a way out of this mess with one last chance to cut a deal before likely “impositionâ€. Adinolfi noted he was "shocked" by the company's comment in-court that management had developed an alternate plan that would cut fewer IAM jobs. Adinolfi said the union hadn't seen that alternative plan, but that he would like to meet with the management on Monday to discuss the new concept.

UAL_Tech, the IAM has backed them self into a corner because of their fear of AMFA. The IAM knows it would be political suicide to cut a deal that cuts its membership, thus they have let other negotiators know they prefer "imposition". In fact, even the Tribune-Review got it right when the noted the company attorney asked Adimolfy if the union was “reluctant to negotiate with US Airways†because the union had been decertified at United Airlines after negotiating an agreement that permitted outsourcing of heavy maintenance and work force reductions. "We are not concerned" about being kicked out at US Airways, Adimolfy said.

UAL_Tech, guess what…that is the whole problem, but the company has provided the IAM with a window of opportunity to save itself with their alternative proposal. It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
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USA320Pilot,

This does make sense.
Indeed it will be interesting.
Thank you for your honest reply.

Best of fortune for you 'all' here at USAirways!!!

Take Care,
:up: UAL_TECH
 
GEEESH!!!! I'm glad USA320 pilot is on your boards.
As if you guys don't have enough distractions to put up with.
 
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PitBull:

The company has offered all of its unions market rate contracts, which will be obtained by negotiation or imposition. Why? The financial community has made it clear that without the cost cut targets met, there will be no financing and no company. Then who loses, the employees. Therefore, if an employee does not want ot work under the creditor required terms, then they can resign.

What's interesting is that the majority of the F/A's I talk to want a deal and are willing to accept the company's latest terms, thus the shallow CHAOS or "self help" threat does not hold a lot of weight. Guess what? The company knows this.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
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With all due respect, a big portion of the f/a's you fly with are former EAL/Trump gals. There is not a more fearful group of f/a's. I was there at one time and knew almost all 150..a drop in the bucket of 5800. Of course THEY want US to survive. You think AA would have EVER honored their EAL senority like US? They know their butts would be on bottom where it should have been to start. And most of the rest of the f/a's in LGA are block chasers who would vote for anything that adds a slight buyout in hopes of the masses leaving and preserving their jobs.

I know that flight attendant group, USA320Pilot. My interactions were more than yours will EVER be and I just don't believe you. Most of the LGA f/a's are as digusted with these bozos .And it in insulting that you think because the AFA doesn't bend over and hand the company the lube that we are all militants who don't want a contract. We f/a's will take care of our own. Do us a favor and take care of your own. With some of the piss poor pilot attitudes I've seen since you guys signed YOUR contract, perhaps you should channel your energy to help your own. :down:
 
USA320Pilot said:
US Airways may cut 914 Utility jobs


USA320Pilot comments: Nobody should be surprised by Luth's comments. GECAS made their case during ALPA's LOA 91 debate and every reader on this board was told over and over the company would seek deeper cuts. Every day the AFA and IAM wait to obtain a TA the company will seek even larger pay and benefit cuts. You would have thought that the unions without an agreement would have learned from ALPA's RC4 failures.

Complete Story

Regards,

USA320Pilot
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Feel free to post the facts but your comments are wrong.

The reason the RC4 failed is because you (and your spineless friends) failed.

Once you guys stopped supporting your union leaders the company OWNED you. YOU ARE TO BLAME! Thus you got a worst deal.

This is not your contract. Your comments are not welcomed.
 
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Justair:

What many people think is that this is a normal negotiation, but it's not. As I have said, the creditor's are requiring the cuts and management has no option but to force the changes. ALPA's advisors told the MEC over-and-over that each proposal was worse.

Guess what? The advisors batted 1000% and the "hardliners" zero. The RC4 had the opportunity to get a better deal and they thought by just saying no they would get a better deal.

The same thing has now happened to AFA and most likely the IAM.

Yesterday the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported The company wrapped up its case yesterday morning when one of its financial advisers said that its largest creditor, GE Capital, could repossess nearly 200 of the airline's 280 aircraft Jan. 14 if it fails to achieve all of its labor savings by then. US Airways must make $260 million in lease payments on 220 aircraft in January and February, said John Luth, chief executive of the Seabury Group, a financial consultant that US Airways has retained since its first bankruptcy reorganization, two years ago. If US Airways makes the lease payments without achieving labor savings, its cash levels would drop below the ATSB's minimum requirement, putting it in default, Luth said.

Each union has known about this issue since the summer when Bruce Lakefield spoke to them. In fact, I heard Lakefield make the comments myself.

The recent GE order requires the target cost cuts and management must obtain them, either by mutual agreement or imposition for the company to survive.

This has nothing to do with bending over but instead creditor mandated cuts, where the creditor's committee has sent a letter to Judge Mitchell endorsing the company's position.

Finally, in regard to the IAM, Arnold & Porter attorney Brian Leitch told the court that if there were any IAM furloughs the wage cut being requested for the remaining mechanic jobs was only about 6%, and stated further that pilots had taken an 18% pay cut and 15% cut for CWA (reduced from a 30% company ask). Leitch then stated that most of the utility work would be outsourced and in the case of United the IAM agreed to outsource all utility except for seven cities.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
Seabury who has a $20 Million contract, ofcourse they will say what the company wants.

And let me enlighten you, there is only Utility at eight stations at US on all three shifts:

BOS, CLT, DCA, LAX (actually only 2 shift coverage), LGA, PIT,PHL and SFO (actually only 2 shift coverage).

Then third shift only at:
ATL, BDL, BWI, MCO, MIA, ORD, ORF, PVD, RIC and TPA.

So US flies into 89 mainline cities, F/A clean at 25 on 1st and 2nd, Utility does eight on 1st and 2nd, so that leaves 66 stations where it is either the ramp or outsourced all ready.

And then you have Utility at CLT and PIT Heavy Maintenance for a total of 120.

There are 189 in CLT Line, 200 in PHL and 80 in PIT. The outstations have a 232. For a total of 701 line utility including leads and part-time in PHL.

So this is the SMALLEST group of workers on the property, I wonder what 821 Utility cost VS 800 Pilots?
 

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