US Airways Makes Case for Merger With American

[AAviator]

If Parker is saying that a merger with AA would result in better pay and loss of fewer jobs than AA is offering, which means bringing US employees up to those pay rates, how do you put the two highest cost carriers together and make it work financially better than a stand-alone AA?

Jim

Good luck with that one Jim.

Didn't somebody put out a report about synergies often over stated, and in the case of airlines, rarely realized? Anyone else remember that?

 

[fodase]

Good luck with that one Jim.

Didn't somebody put out a report about synergies often over stated, and in the case of airlines, rarely realized? Anyone else remember that?

It isn't about synergies, it's about "rationalizing" the industry. A merger eliminates a competitor, that alone is worth a ton of cash.

 

[spike99]

If you begin with the assumption that a merger with AA will happen:

1 - USAPA will be out and APA will almost certainly be the bargaining agent for all US/AA pilots for the same reason that USAPA replaced ALPA - APA will have the majority and almost certainly win a representative election.

2 - While APA would have the majority, just look no further than USAPA to see the limits on what the majority can accomplish - if having a majority is all that mattered the east and west would be integrated with a DOH integration before now. In a seniority integration APA has the same restraints of the law and it's duty of fair representation as USAPA has.

3 - If you mean could the Nic just have the AA pilots added, no - the ratios used for US/HP integration would be different for a US/AA integration. If you mean could the same general method be used to combine the US/AA pilots on one seniority list, yes it could. It would be up to what the sides negotiated or what an arbitrator ruled, which is current law.

Jim

Jim, you're amazing! How can someone who thinks they are so informed not understand the basics of a merger. Since the AA and TWA merger, a little piece of Federal legislation known as McCaskill - Bond has become law. Once a merger is actually announced, let the fun begin. APA and USAPA will be free to try to come to a consensual agreement as per the seniority integration, if they can not, it will go to binding arbitration per "Federal Law". Unlike the internal union arbitration which occurred under your beloved ALPA. They chose to seperate themselves from their responsibilities, leaving the ultimate rebuttal, the decertification of ALPA.

Spike

 

[fodase]

Jim, you're amazing! How can someone who thinks they are so informed not understand the basics of a merger. Since the AA and TWA merger, a little piece of Federal legislation known as McCaskill - Bond has become law. Once a merger is actually announced, let the fun begin. APA and USAPA will be free to try to come to a consensual agreement as per the seniority integration, if they can not, it will go to binding arbitration per "Federal Law". Unlike the internal union arbitration which occurred under your beloved ALPA. They chose to seperate themselves from their responsibilities, leaving the ultimate rebuttal, the decertification of ALPA.

Spike

Silly clown, mcaskill-bond desn't preclude the apa from filing single carrier status before the integration.

 

[spike99]

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Silly clown, mcaskill-bond desn't preclude the apa from filing single carrier status before the integration.

You are wrong, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but why would that be suprising. I'd rather be a silly clown, rather than an uneducated illiterate.

Spike

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

And so you remain under LOA93.

3% each year raise isn't so bad. Almost a 10% raise this May first.

Love your ignorance.

 

[Iclubbabyseals]

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You are wrong, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but why would that be suprising. I'd rather be a silly clown, rather than an uneducated illiterate.

Spike

The vocal idiots on the west have little idea of reality, including the Boeing dude.

 

[Phoenix]

Good luck with that one Jim.

Didn't somebody put out a report about synergies often over stated, and in the case of airlines, rarely realized? Anyone else remember that?

Yes, tall tails are told of future promises to walk with a wheel barrow of cash in the short run... that is the standard management M.O., is it not?

 

[Phoenix]

Still can't answer huh?

Form answer:

No, I just didn't give a flip about your question. Tell me again, what was your question and why was it relevant? Please answer quickly to see if I have changed my mind.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Jim, you're amazing! How can someone who thinks they are so informed not understand the basics of a merger. Since the AA and TWA merger, a little piece of Federal legislation known as McCaskill - Bond has become law.

What's wrong Spike - a few too many tonight? If you'd actually read my post I mentioned "the law" 2 or 3 times...

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Silly clown, mcaskill-bond desn't preclude the apa from filing single carrier status before the integration.

Exactly, Spike's wishful thinking not withstanding. The NMB ruled that UA/CO was a single transportation system in April, 2011, long before a single ops certificate was issued by the FAA or a combined seniority list/contract existed. An NMB ruling that a single transportation system exists triggers the representational election process, of course.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

3% each year raise isn't so bad. Almost a 10% raise this May first.

Is that a sure thing like you said the LOA 93 pay grievance was?? I gotta hand it to you breezy - after all the disappointments you're still convinced there's a pony under that pile of horses#$t...

Jim

 

[Move2CLT]

3% each year raise isn't so bad. Almost a 10% raise this May first.

Love your ignorance.

Ignorance?

Are you saying you're getting a 3% raise? Something that even TP chair was BS?

You have a better chance of winning LOA93 and snapbacks.

Oh, wait. Sorry.

Did that strike a nerve?

 

[Move2CLT]

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You are wrong, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but why would that be suprising. I'd rather be a silly clown, rather than an uneducated illiterate.

Spike

Yo spike, he's exactly correct.

Where are you getting your wishful thinking from?

 

[767one]

It isn't about synergies, it's about "rationalizing" the industry. A merger eliminates a competitor, that alone is worth a ton of cash.

You are right. It is only about the ton of cash. It's not for the employees, the customers or the majority of the shareholders. It's so a few select people can walk away with a ton of cash.