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TWU negotiations.........what?
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Chuck Schalk
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I would like to extend my gratitude to Tulsa President Steve Luis. I have heard many good things about Mr. Luis from different sources. We Finally have a leader who see's the big picture and is demonstrating that by his words and his actions. He has given hope for change as a possibility. Keep up the good work and we look forward to working with you in the future!
Man of the People
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You epitomize what is wrong with our industry. Stand up and be a man!! Quislings like you have deteriorated this industry. I'm sure the company loves people like you with a cowardly nature. Please leave this industry and go back to selling shoes.....
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I find it fascinating that whenever a dissenting voice appears on this board, others gang up on the poor guy who may have a point. It is not wise to get hopes up about total snap backs or as has been put "restore and more."
The market is a mess and if you don't think this affects negotiations, you must have your head in the sand. This garbage that is going down on Wall Street will affect the way AA can do business. It will be difficult to borrow money, write down assets, etc. etc. With oil up and down, AA has to be somewhat careful of what it puts out on the table. I have a feeling, airlines are going to be at the bottom of the bail out list if more trouble occurs down the road.
The market is a mess and if you don't think this affects negotiations, you must have your head in the sand. This garbage that is going down on Wall Street will affect the way AA can do business. It will be difficult to borrow money, write down assets, etc. etc. With oil up and down, AA has to be somewhat careful of what it puts out on the table. I have a feeling, airlines are going to be at the bottom of the bail out list if more trouble occurs down the road.
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"More trouble", as you call it is almost a given at this point.
Wall Street Bankers capitalized on regulations that had been in place since the 1930s to protect the economy - we can than Phil Gramm (I believe a retired Senator from Texas) for helping to push this deregulation of the financial markets through before he left office. If these regulation are not reinstated, we'll have another round of this in short order.
Personal opinion - this bailout our sellout Congress is close to finalizing will not prevent a depression but only delay it 'til next year. At that point, it won't matter who works (more accurately, worked) where. This bailout will only make things more tolerable for those that caused the problems.
"The peasants have no bread!" "Then let them eat cake!".
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While "snap backs" are probably not a reality, that does not mean we have to bend over and take what the compAAny is offering.
I too like what I have seen and heard from Steve Luis. Now if only we could get some support from the internAAtional
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No, you certainly don't. You should absolutely fight for the best deal possible. Snap back is not in the realm of the possible.
And I don't think frontline is any less of a man (or woman) for stating the obvious: no one's getting big raises this round. You can threatend, cajole, kick, scream and fuss all you want, but with oil uncertain, demand soft and RASM falling, you're not going to get the company to agree to a big increase in CASM.
A real man confronts and deals with reality instead of living in denial and whining about the hand he's been dealt.
Post of the day, right there!!!!!!!
It took sixty years to get what we had in 2003. Ican not see us getting it all back in one contract. The one thing that I would like, is no more concessions. I think we have given enough already.
It only took the company 30 days to take it all away, we have already waited 5 years to get it back.
By the way Al Blackman said they had a better deal under their old union in 1945 than they had with the TWU in 2003.
Even if we just got everything back we would still be working under a 5 year pay freeze which is in reality a pay cut due to inflation.
Restore and more.
There are those of us who would like to fight for the best deal possible, and those who are fighting for an unattainable dream. The timing of this makes everything even worse.
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"No, you certainly don't. You should absolutely fight for the best deal possible. Snap back is not in the realm of the possible."
Why?
Management can take bonuses that are an injustice towards respect.
It is simple. AA can return what was stolen. Cargo and AA are the same company. AMR makes a profit... share it with the people who make that profit.
Morale and DOT ratings are down. Hum, wonder why?
If morale was restored think how much stronger AA would be.
Why?
Management can take bonuses that are an injustice towards respect.
It is simple. AA can return what was stolen. Cargo and AA are the same company. AMR makes a profit... share it with the people who make that profit.
Morale and DOT ratings are down. Hum, wonder why?
If morale was restored think how much stronger AA would be.
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Because I don't think AA can afford it. I know many of you like to think AMR is a rich, greedy corporation with bottomless cash, but (stop me if I have said this before) with demand soft and economic growth uncertain, it would be irresponsible of AMR's managers to give large wage and benefit increases to the employees. I know most of you won't see it this way, but the reasoning behind this is that it looks out for all employees' livelihoods.
As for the PUP/PSP payouts, it's really a drop in the bucket but it sure does look bad and I think they should stop doing it for solidarity with the employees, if nothing else.
As for the PUP/PSP payouts, it's really a drop in the bucket but it sure does look bad and I think they should stop doing it for solidarity with the employees, if nothing else.
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AA knows that. They know money talks, but are unwilling to pay. But, every so often, we have an "Employee Appreciation Day" that some expensive consultant told them would raise morale on the cheap.
But, in true AA fashion, they even cheaped out on the hot dogs.
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I will say it again because it applies "Bad moral will dwarf any concession that is given by the company" Management will say that moral has no effect with our dismal on time performance. Poor moral has a direct quantifiable financial and service impact. It is anothern poor decision of management not to recognize it and god for bid do something about it. enough said!
