TWU negotiations.........what?

[FrequentFlierCA]

The contract proposal that was proposed with the TWU blessings was nothing more than what we gave back that others in bankruptcy didn't.
In Bankruptcy:
they never lost their double time on holidays and kept more holidyas than we did
They had sick days at full pay
I believe they recieved a cash bonus to sign
I am not sure about vacation time

how is this a great proposal? This should have been given back in good faith and then offer a proposal!
let me know if I missed anything...

Just my take, of course, but I see the economy and fuel issues getting worse before they get better (can anyone stay "stagflation"?)

I think the logic others were trying to convey (minus the unhelpful name calling) is that taking that last company proposal would have meant some actual gains, as opposed to having the contract gutted during the court process.

 

[bigdawg52]

Just my take, of course, but I see the economy and fuel issues getting worse before they get better (can anyone stay "stagflation"?)

I think the logic others were trying to convey (minus the unhelpful name calling) is that taking that last company proposal would have meant some actual gains, as opposed to having the contract gutted during the court process.

Like I said before everyone has opinions, and sometime I do come across a little on the strong side. But somethings get me to worked up, and especially at these times. The contract offer was what it was, people hated it, and I could accept it.
My reasoning is this, plain and simple. We would be giving up nothing nada, zilch. Two year deal, up in eighteen months. We gain some of what we lost. People are under the misconception, that they will get everything back. People have said it before, as will I. It will not happen. Sorry

As far as the B.K. is concerned. I stand by what I typed, no one wins in B.K. , the company nor us. Bills will get paid before we or anybody else does. More people will lose their jobs through layoffs and such. And then would you like to see outsourcing, say hello. :down:

Last thing as I said before, I am an FSC in Tus., look it up. There is no alias here. Just my opinion, which edveryone is entitled.

 

[AMFAMAN]

My reasoning is this, plain and simple. We would be giving up nothing nada, zilch. Two year deal, up in eighteen months. We gain some of what we lost.

Did you read the proposal? Last I checked a 33% increase in Eagle available seat miles is a huge concession. With the increase ASM's, Eagle would be well on their way to taking over the domestic routes. If you are in TUS, this might very well affect your station. We are being told that MSP and DET would go Eagle day one, along with a whole list of others soon to follow. Next concession, turning over our medical to the twu, you would have to be nuts to put those people in charge of such a thing.


Next concession,

IN ADDITION, THE COMPANY PRESENTED PROPOSALS REGARDING WORK RULE CHANGES IN EACH CONTRACT GROUP.

This language still to be written is regarding yet another SRP/OSM/ new acronym for upward of 30% non-licensed mechanics in the line hangars, and having crew chiefs being picked by a panel, not by seniority.

So while some like to look at this as an extension, it's not. In fact we are most likely giving back more than we would've gained if we voted this turd in.

 

[Man of the People]

You my friend are a borderline idiot. Think before you post again. Because B.K. , thsy lost a lot more than they gained.

Aren't you the fool who almost lost his job at air freight? If not for your uncle, who was President of the local at that time, you would've lost your job. You ought to thank the poor bastard your uncle horse traded away to save your sorry arse.

 

[AMFAMAN]

Aren't you the fool who almost lost his job at air freight? If not for your uncle, who was President of the local at that time, you would've lost your job. You ought to thank the poor bastard your uncle horse traded away to save your sorry arse.

It would certainly explain his or hers desire to bring back another round of concessions.

 

[bigdawg52]

Did you read the proposal? Last I checked a 33% increase in Eagle available seat miles is a huge concession. With the increase ASM's, Eagle would be well on their way to taking over the domestic routes. If you are in TUS, this might very well affect your station. We are being told that MSP and DET would go Eagle day one, along with a whole list of others soon to follow. Next concession, turning over our medical to the twu, you would have to be nuts to put those people in charge of such a thing.


Next concession, This language still to be written is regarding yet another SRP/OSM/ new acronym for upward of 30% non-licensed mechanics in the line hangars, and having crew chiefs being picked by a panel, not by seniority.

So while some like to look at this as an extension, it's not. In fact we are most likely giving back more than we would've gained if we voted this turd in.

I think you better get your facts straight. The proposal was for a 10% increase in eagle asm's. When I talked to the local President, they were to be used mainly for the east coast. Lga fly's LGA to ORD every hour. They want to use the R.J.'s every half hour, in between mainline 80"s. This is the info I got. SO yes I did read the proposal, maybe you should do the same, and not listen to what somebody tells you.

As for the Crew CHief by panel. I agree with it. Just because you have seniority does not make you qualified to be a crew chief. Trust me, you have seen crew chiefs that should not be crew chiefs, and they are ther just because of seniority. Granted it scares me a little to have the company pick a crew chief, but if the panel was made up of only crew chiefs and one person of management, I could see this working. But again this is my opinion.

Aren't you the fool who almost lost his job at air freight? If not for your uncle, who was President of the local at that time, you would've lost your job. You ought to thank the poor bastard your uncle horse traded away to save your sorry arse

No I am not the fool. And I know the person you are refering to. He is not a fool, and actually a hell of a worker. SO get your facts straight, before you post :blink:

It would certainly explain his or hers desire to bring back another round of concessions

This contract offered had one minor concession, and you think we giving back the world. We were not and getting a little more in return. You AMT prima dona's need to grow up and smell the roses, or you will end up like NWA mechanics. Working for fway less pay than, you are making at this point. Oh yeah can you say pension, they can not. Everyone has there own opinion, and I have mine. It may be right, it may be wrong but time will tell. Hopefully we all will have a job this time next year.

 

[AMFAMAN]

I think you better get your facts straight. The proposal was for a 10% increase in eagle asm's. When I talked to the local President, they were to be used mainly for the east coast. Lga fly's LGA to ORD every hour. They want to use the R.J.'s every half hour, in between mainline 80"s. This is the info I got. SO yes I did read the proposal, maybe you should do the same, and not listen to what somebody tells you.

Read...

ARTICLE 1- SCOPE
•
EAGLE ASM LETTER MODIFICATION (EXPAND FROM SIX (6) PERCENT TO EIGHT (8) PERCENT BY 2010 WITHOUT FURLOUGH PROTECTION)

A 10% increase puts them at 6.6%, not the stated 8%.

Now when Eagle takes over more of the domestic flying, it allows for increases in longer flights for AA fleet, which in turn allows for an even larger increases in the number of Eagle flights. Furthermore, the lack of restrictions on new routes and routes not flown since early 90's allows the company to continually go way above the so-called cap. Not sure what kind of BS your president pushing, but I'd be willing to bet your satation is all Eagle by 2010-11 with this language.

 

[Vortilon]

Yeah, how about that, the Miami president votes yes after just getting relected. Rumor has it that he was forced to resign today, but have yet to confirm this rumor. I highly doubt that the MIA AMT's are going to keep a president in office that votes for a sellout agreement that even Tulsa and MCI voted against...OUCH

I heard that the MIA local pres TW was seen talking to the company during the course of negotiations on his own time. Word is, he was trailed by a private investigator and recorded on film going to these meetings. He turned himself into the EAP program to escape the cosequences for 30 days.

Question being, what was his motive? Company or Union job? <_<

 

[AMFAMAN]

I heard that the MIA local pres TW was seen talking to the company during the course of negotiations on his own time. Word is, he was trailed by a private investigator and recorded on film going to these meetings. He turned himself into the EAP program to escape the cosequences for 30 days.

Question being, what was his motive? Company or Union job? <_<

So much for the negotiating committee rules then:

http://local567.twuatd.org/uploadpages/negpol.htm

B. Any Committee Member appearing under the influence of intoxicants will he ruled out of order and ineligible to participate in official business of the Committee.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Word has it he is in Rehab
The new E-board wants him to resign.
After the 30 days we will see what happens.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Last thing as I said before, I am an FSC in Tus., look it up. There is no alias here. Just my opinion, which edveryone is entitled.


Then why post under bigdawg? Standing in the shadows even half way is still standing in the shadows.

 

[FWAAA]

Then why post under bigdawg? Standing in the shadows even half way is still standing in the shadows.

Sheesh. The guy posted his employee number last week.

Why does the AMFA organizer in Tulsa post under an "alias" (actually, a new "alias" about once a year for the last several years) when everyone knows his name? In fact, there's only about four of you who post your real names, and one of them is former management.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

Arpey was the CFO under Carty and played the oil hedging wrong which caused the company great financial strain and the along comes Tom Horton new CFO and he plays the oil hedge game more wrong than Arpey sending the company into a financial tailspin.

As a reward for their single most important fatal decision:

Arpey is promoted to CEO showered with stock options.
Horton is given thousands of shares of stock upon his arrival and he sells them soon after.

They continue to recieve stock bonuses and their decisions have cost the company severe financial strain.

Read below and see who really should be awarded for a job well done!!

Southwest's successful fuel gamble keeps fares low

By PETER PAE
Los Angeles Times

What would it be like to pay $2 for a gallon of gas when everyone else is paying twice that much?

Southwest Airlines knows, and that's why many analysts believe it may be one of the few U.S. carriers, if not the only one, to post a profit this year while still offering bargain fares.

The airline locked in more than 70 percent of the fuel it expects to consume this year at about $51 a barrel, far below Thursday's closing crude price of $126.62 a barrel.
By comparison, other large airlines have only 20 percent to 30 percent of their fuel "hedged" this year and at an average cost of about $100 a barrel.

With the huge cost advantage, Southwest hasn't had to raise air fares or impose new fees like other carriers, including last week's controversial decision by American Airlines to charge domestic fliers $15 for the first checked bag and increase other fees.

The advantage won't last forever, since oil prices could plummet, and even if they stay high, the amount of fuel Southwest has been able to hedge in future years diminishes considerably from 55 percent next year to 30 percent in 2010.

But because of a calculated risk the airline took last year, essentially betting correctly that fuel prices would escalate, Southwest "may be the only one left standing" by the end of this year, said Terry Trippler, an airline analyst who expects most of the major carriers to post a loss this year, with perhaps a few even going into bankruptcy.

"Southwest," he said, "is sitting there looking really good."

Southwest's aggressive fuel hedging is having a broader impact on fares in the markets it serves, travel experts say.

Tom Parsons, publisher of travel Web site Bestfares.com, said that travelers flying between two cities where there is no competition from Southwest pay about $340 more round trip than they did just six months ago.

Farecompare.com, an online air fare search service, noticed, for instance, that American last week dropped the price of a round-trip ticket by an average of about $30 on routes also served by Southwest, including San Diego, Seattle and Las Vegas. At the same time, American was raising fares by an average of $60 in other
markets and imposing the new bag fees, according to farecompare.com.

Emboldened with lower fuel costs than its competitors, Southwest has been able to offer promotional fares as low as $29 one-way. The airline has also been able respond to the woes of other airlines with a bit of smugness.

When American last week said it would begin charging for checked bags because of the high fuel costs, Southwest quickly responded on its Web site: "Southwest Airlines still allows you to check up to two free bags when you travel with us. We look forward to seeing you onboard very soon. And bring your luggage!"

 

[frontline]

Like I said before everyone has opinions, and sometime I do come across a little on the strong side. But somethings get me to worked up, and especially at these times. The contract offer was what it was, people hated it, and I could accept it.
My reasoning is this, plain and simple. We would be giving up nothing nada, zilch. Two year deal, up in eighteen months. We gain some of what we lost. People are under the misconception, that they will get everything back. People have said it before, as will I. It will not happen. Sorry

As far as the B.K. is concerned. I stand by what I typed, no one wins in B.K. , the company nor us. Bills will get paid before we or anybody else does. More people will lose their jobs through layoffs and such. And then would you like to see outsourcing, say hello. :down:

Last thing as I said before, I am an FSC in Tus., look it up. There is no alias here. Just my opinion, which edveryone is entitled.

This negotiation is like Deal or No Deal... do you walk away with the offer of $275,000 or push all the way to open your case, hoping (against the odds?) that you have something better inside?

But I agree. This would have been some gain and would not have locked us in for too long (in case those elusive profits return)

Don't love it, but I could have lived with it for two years.

 

[AMFAMAN]

This negotiation is like Deal or No Deal... do you walk away with the offer of $275,000 or push all the way to open your case, hoping (against the odds?) that you have something better inside?

But I agree. This would have been some gain and would not have locked us in for too long (in case those elusive profits return)

Don't love it, but I could have lived with it for two years.

Yeah, but if the deal was for $275k, you wouldn't be giving up potentially $300k to get it. This is not an extension as the intl has referred to it, it is a concessionary agreement that throws a little cash, and an unattainable profit sharing plan in exchange for a potentially massive Eagle expansion, 30% non-licensed mechanics on the line, crew chiefs selection turning into a boot licking competion, and of course turning over medical to the twu. NO DEAL.