TWU negotiations.........what?

[Ken MacTiernan]

Exactly, FURP cards will be signed overnight and the twu stands no chance in an election against FURP.

Now THAT would be funny to see and hear the NMB read, "F.U.R.P. defeats T.W.U."!

But seriously, I strongly hope that the twu understands that this will decide if they remain on the property. If ANY future t/a is accepted by the international like the concession contract was then... lights out.

Fuel is not a factor, passenger load is not a factor... what is a factor is being returned what was taken in order to save AA from BK. Management continued to insert their hands into our pockets, regardless of what dennis burchette says, and taken bonus after bonus. :angry:

ANY contract that is accepted by the membership, IF it is accepted, had better have a retro date assigned to it. As MCI says, the longer the company drags out this negotiation process the more money they save.

The twu has used every trick in the book to deny a representational election at AA. Their bag of tricks is empty. They either produce a contract that BENEFITS the AMT & Class at AA or we will see exactly how fast an "Under New management" sign can be hung over the local's door.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ----- Hello Ken! Unfortunately You are correct! I also believe we won't see a contract for at least another year. And at that point any "retro pay" will be negotiable! But if the TWU didn't have a clue as to "snap backs" in our 2003 contract, I'm afraid they may be just as ignorant about "retro pay" on this one! :down:

 

[AMFAMAN]

Fuel is not a factor, passenger load is not a factor... what is a factor is being returned what was taken in order to save AA from BK.

Our maintenance labor costs are neither a factor too, as one of the carriers we currently maintain, Allegiant Air, has been able to stay profitable for the most part, despite paying AA for the overhaul of their planes. Add to it that you can currently buy a ticket on their website for $88 from ABE to FLL roundtrip, and I am told their in-house mechanics make close to what we make make, it's safe to say the high labor costs the company likes to talk about are not in maintenance.

Unless of course we negotiated another "we pay you to work on your plane" deal, in which case ignore what I wrote. <_<

 

[Chuck Schalk]

we know the end is near when:
1- TWU form and promote meaningless committees
2- TWU holds long non productive negotiations with themselves
3- Negotiating committee witholds information about negotiations (cause there is none)
3- Upper management hold meetings across the system
4- TWU issues buttons to wear and they back it up with??????
5- TWU Int'l holds closed door meetings with Arpey and no information to members!

what is next? A proposal for the negotiating committee by the TWU and the company

There is no negotiations by the presidents, they are only puppets of the so called Process!!!

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< -------- Personally, I feel we won't see another contract for at least another year! The only ones "anxious" to get a contract are the membership, not the company! There is no incentive to due this until they get the pilots squired away! -------- I hope I'm wrong! But don't think so! :huh:

 

[BigMac]

we know the end is near when:
1- TWU form and promote meaningless committees
2- TWU holds long non productive negotiations with themselves
3- Negotiating committee witholds information about negotiations (cause there is none)
3- Upper management hold meetings across the system
4- TWU issues buttons to wear and they back it up with??????
5- TWU Int'l holds closed door meetings with Arpey and no information to members!

what is next? A proposal for the negotiating committee by the TWU and the company

There is no negotiations by the presidents, they are only puppets of the so called Process!!!

Burchettes reply to #5 :down:
http://local567.twuatd.org/pdfs/Burchette-Arpey50108ltr.pdf

 

[AMFAMAN]

<_< -------- Personally, I feel we won't see another contract for at least another year! The only ones "anxious" to get a contract are the membership, not the company! There is no incentive to due this until they get the pilots squired away! -------- I hope I'm wrong! But don't think so! :huh:

MCI, its been 7 years already with the twu and you're still talking like a rookie. The twu will have a sellout agreement in place so the company will have plenty of money left over for the pilots. The history of these sellout goes back a long time, and no wishful thinking is going to change what is about to come. <_<

 

[MCI transplant]

MCI, its been 7 years already with the twu and you're still talking like a rookie. The twu will have a sellout agreement in place so the company will have plenty of money left over for the pilots. The history of these sellout goes back a long time, and no wishful thinking is going to change what is about to come. <_<

<_< ------ Yea! You could say I'm a "rookie"! I've only experienced one contract, and we all know what a mess that was! We'll have to wait and see what comes down. Call it my bad outlook! But we here, at MCI, have been screwed over so many times ( both IAM, and TWU) that I guess we just don't expect too much! :unsure:

 

[title1 for life]

The word at work was within 10 days the company will come out with an offer.Their excuse was they were not prepared for the financial package that the union slid across the table in March. I heard this from a steward Monday. So I think that would be 10 days from last Friday.
Personally I hate to see the TWU even open the contract as we seem to lose more each time they do.

Seeing is believing and I am with AMFAMAN .The members couldn't be further from the process even if we worked at another company. This has been the most secretive contract in my memory at AA. :blink:

 

[Chuck Schalk]

The company will present proposal as early as may 12th and that's what the negotiating committee will work with.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

burchet and his boys were here in MIA today.
I asked him how long and his reply was. "no one knows"
I asked if the company had replied to any of the economic proposals and he said "no"

same old story no one knows anything.

:down:

 

[BigMac]

burchet and his boys were here in MIA today.
I asked him how long and his reply was. "no one knows"
I asked if the company had replied to any of the economic proposals and he said "no"

same old story no one knows anything.

:down:

They hand out "Negotiation" shirts and tell you to wear them on Wednesdays to show support... like they did here?
This is the year of the "No One Knows" contract.
One thread quoted the Union president saying the company was anxious for a deal.
Another said it should be 10 days from last Friday.
Now we are hearing "no one knows".
Patience is a virtue without a doubt, but getting many versions of a "confirmed" deadline is getting old.
Just my 2 cents worth (the same amount as my undesirable shift differential pay) <_<

 

[Bob Owens]

They hand out "Negotiation" shirts and tell you to wear them on Wednesdays to show support... like they did here?
This is the year of the "No One Knows" contract.
One thread quoted the Union president saying the company was anxious for a deal.
Another said it should be 10 days from last Friday.
Now we are hearing "no one knows".
Patience is a virtue without a doubt, but getting many versions of a "confirmed" deadline is getting old.
Just my 2 cents worth (the same amount as my undesirable shift differential pay) <_<

Yea we had International wannabe John Iuliano address the guys at JFK yesterday about the secret contract . The International can tell the company but the workers who will have to live under the contract arent allowed to know. Not only that but Iuliano claims that he cant even tell us how he voted on the decision to keep it secret. He claims to be a President but concedes that the committee is his boss, not the members that elected him.

What Iuliano seems to forget is that when he sits at these meetings and votes he is supposed to be voting on behalf of his members, in other words he is voting for them, yet he feels that the members dont have the right to know how "they" voted!!! Undemocratic, unaccountable, yep trying to show that he is International material for sure.

In the typical TWU International fashion of non answers and nonleadership we were told that we should "support" the committee, the same comittee that feels that even though the company has the proposals we shouldnt be trusted with the same information. They are saying we should give them blind support. For all we know they could be asking to cut our pay to $15 but hire twice as many people!! Should we support that? Of course not, nor should we trust people who make it clear that they dont trust us.

Here we were told on the sly that we should be working by the book, of course not in those words but the meaning was obvious to everyone in the room, but then told we cant have the information because "The comittee doesnt want the membership to negotiate the contract on the floor". Well when members work by the book arent they in fact using their power to pressure negotiations "on the floor"? Why the contradictory messages? "Do it" "We cant give you any information because we feel that you might do it and we dont want you to". Why, because by giving you mixed messages they can later try to absolve themselves. "You want to know why you got a crappy deal? Because you guys proved that a crappy deal was all that they needed to get their airplanes so its your fault not the TWUs".

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

<_< ----- Hello Ken! Unfortunately You are correct! I also believe we won't see a contract for at least another year. And at that point any "retro pay" will be negotiable! But if the TWU didn't have a clue as to "snap backs" in our 2003 contract, I'm afraid they may be just as ignorant about "retro pay" on this one! :down:

I've got to address one of the common themes I see on this thread: the idea of a "snap back" to 2001. You guys gave up a lot in 2003, and in doing so were key to keeping the company out of the courts, but I don't think it's a realistic position to go back to the 2001 contract.

You're in a tough position: the realities of the airline industry just don't support wages the levels they were previously. In 2001 the average price of oil was $23. That means it's gone up more than 500%. Your union is in the delicate position of trying to get gains for its members while the company is under extraordinary financial pressure.

I hope you make solid gains, but I wouldn't expect a jackpot contract full of snap backs and retro paybacks.

 

[TWU informer]

Oh don't worry FrequentFlier,

With the TWU negotiating, it will be some form of quid pro quo on every gain made. In other words not one cent gained that will not be given up in work rules of productivity.

That is assuming we don't end up going backwards like the last 8 times the TWU negotiated on our behalf.