TWU negotiations.........what?

[Ken MacTiernan]

John Conley, director of TWU's Air Transport Division, declined to guess last week. But he said it was important for the union to be able to take agreements to members so they can decide."As far as I'm concerned, we certainly want our members have their voices heard. Unless you can reach a tentative agreement, they don't have an opportunity to echo their views," he said.


Agreements back to the members? I thought the membership expressed what we wanted from the beginning? We already echoed our views.

Vote NO!

What happens when we all vote this ta down? We become more unified. The Flight Attendants will not vote on something like our ta, they will fight for what is owed us. We need to do the same thing.

 

[MCI transplant]

:huh: ----- Damn! And I thought the IAM was screwed up! ------- Well, ---- Compared to this so called Union, they were saints!

 

[Runwaysticker]

:huh: ----- Damn! And I thought the IAM was screwed up! ------- Well, ---- Compared to this so called Union, they were saints!

I have been in the IAM and the TWU for the last 23 years and have seen them loose strength each contract and year. In the 80s you had brothers watching your back ,now it could be anyone with the knife. This crappy offer will probly pass and everyone will say I voted no, the TUL vote is the one that will brake the camels back. How were the IAM saints when they let 7 years of you pension go down the tube..................saints my

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

What happens when we all vote this ta down? We become more unified. The Flight Attendants will not vote on something like our ta, they will fight for what is owed us. We need to do the same thing.

No, what happens if you vote this down is that you get to sit in the corner while NMB focuses its attention on the pilots and flight attendants. That means another six months to a year of working under the same contract.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

No, what happens if you vote this down is that you get to sit in the corner while NMB focuses its attention on the pilots and flight attendants. That means another six months to a year of working under the same contract.

I would rather vote no and "sit in the corner", as you claim, and wait. I have waited 7 years so a little longer will not hurt. Besides, why give the company more concessions only to "renegotiate" 18 months later when the company can pick us off even easier since they are targeting those over 50 now. If this ta passes those in Tulsa will be focused on next since the company will have the language of ASM in place. This ta will hurt overhaul more than the line and that is another reason I am voting no.

But never fear, management will continue to receive bonuses.

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

Management at AA only receives a bonus when AMR makes a profit. But don't let the truth get in the way of your mud-slinging.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Management at AA only receives a bonus when AMR makes a profit. But don't let the truth get in the way of your mud-slinging.

I do not see where I slung mud. As for the truth? Perhaps you should become aquainted with it. American just lost $500 MILLION but Arpey received 4.7 MILLION in bonuses.

But let's assume your version of the truth is real... why should management only receive compensation when AA makes a profit and the workers continue with concessions?

 

[Bob Owens]

To sum this TA up, AA got everything they wanted the members didnt get anything that they wanted
The members wanted their contract and buying Power restored they didnt even come close, they remain behind industry standards on pretty much every count.
The company wanted productivity improments, benifit cuts and a two year pay freeze, they got it all.
Congratulations to our International they have delivered once again.
I never trusted Dons strategy of "A Credible Offer" . The company came in low and pretty much got it anyway, the union came in, and instead of aiming high, aimed Low because "We arent going to play that game of aiming high and going back and forth" and settled much, much lower than the lowball "Credible" offer the presented to the membership.
Basically "Negotiationes" lasted less than a week despite the fact that it dragged on for two years. The company simply didnt negotiate, in the meantime "Working Together" went along, membership COPE money was used to push AntiTrust Immunity that the company wanted that over the long term ill likely cause us to lose jobs, pretty much anything the company asked for we continued to give while they sat across the table and simply said NO.
In 2013 we will be just as bad off as we are now. AA will not see any improvement in performance on the line. Even with Don Videtichs and Steve Luis' Working together language.

If management thinks that by jamming this through we will "put it behind us": they are dead wrong.

For the line guys this deal would leave our earning power in 2013 a little less than it is now , for the base guys their earning power will be substantailly less than it is now plus we lose our Retiree Health, MRT and many other concessions.

Instead of just accepting this because you dont trust your union reject it, prove to the International, the Company and some of your representatives that you arent a bunch of sheep willing to accept whatever they throw at you.
VOTE NO!!

 

[Chuck Schalk]

If our group votes to accept this T/A we are locking in another concessionry agreement that will negatively effect us for the rest of our careers(if you can call it that anymore) . Turning this down gets us back to the table to negotiate a better proposal hopefully with new presidents in negotiations who will listen to their members more than the International.

 

[patriot00]

Apparently the "negotiations" have already ended and now all the TWU has to do is sell the "NEW" contract to the membership. This is your new contract that Tulsa,MCI, and probably AFW will vote YES for.

6% raise at start of contract :down:
Six years duration :down:
1.5% raise per year :down:
Sick pay restored, but still only 5 days accrual per year
One week of vacation restored
Two restored holidays: Memorial Day,Day after Thanksgiving

I don't believe AFW will vote yes. Our union leaders don't support it and have the balls to say so! We voted no in 2003 also.

 

[MCI transplant]

I don't believe AFW will vote yes. Our union leaders don't support it and have the balls to say so! We voted no in 2003 also.

<_< ------ And with less than 250 votes at MCI.------ Really doesn't matter!

 

[Veritas]

Management at AA only receives a bonus when AMR makes a profit. But don't let the truth get in the way of your mud-slinging.

Incorrect.

This is the actual agreement: 2009/2011 PERFORMANCE SHARE AGREEMENT

(The 2009-2011 plan is the same as previous agreements dating back to 2003)

The performance share plan pays out based on how well AMR stock does compared to eight other airline stocks and 26 ’comparator’ companies.

While AMR Corp is piling up billions in losses, their executives are riding an airline industry cycle which saw share prices increase in the last quarter of 2009. As a result AMR's executives are insulated from the reality of their abysmal performance.

 

[Skymess]

No, what happens if you vote this down is that you get to sit in the corner while NMB focuses its attention on the pilots and flight attendants. That means another six months to a year of working under the same contract.

The choice is vote No and keep what you have or vote yes and give more concessions. I'd opt for waiting because by the time they get back to you the company will probably be doing better and you keep what you have in the meantime. Anything is better than giving concessions, especially work rule concessions that swing around and bite you where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[Bob Owens]

No, what happens if you vote this down is that you get to sit in the corner while NMB focuses its attention on the pilots and flight attendants. That means another six months to a year of working under the same contract.

Six months under the current crappy deal or five years under the even more concessionary TA? Hmm, I'll take the possible six months to a year, maybe less, and hope the members start to show their displeasure as the busy Summer season approaches. We can make the extra money working OT, of course if we are working OT you are sitting in the Terminal.

 

[jetmechjer]

Six months under the current crappy deal or five years under the even more concessionary TA? Hmm, I'll take the possible six months to a year, maybe less, and hope the members start to show their displeasure as the busy Summer season approaches. We can make the extra money working OT, of course if we are working OT you are sitting in the Terminal.

Very well put Bob.......................game on!!! Vote No!!!