TWU/IAM Members: How Long Will Negotiations Take?

[The Watcher]

You are a broken record, your fear tactics are old already.

Your reaching, go read the letter again.

Your a one trick pony these days Bob.

It always the world according to Bob, even when reality shows your wrong.

 

[The Watcher]

If we were United and one why would they need to be?

Cause it was a TWU gig.

 

[Matt1200]

TWU members needs to stop whining about the IAM current contract. We negotiated our medical and pension. TWU are under a bankruptcy contract. I rather keep my current contract as long as I can. I know I’m going to lose my medical and pension. The association tells us not to work overtime or do road trips. How does that hurt the company? Work the overtime and make more write ups! Follow the paperwork to the letter.

 

[The Watcher]

Dude take your part out about write ups.

 

[737823]

Your a one trick pony these days Bob.

Because unlike some people he has used the same handle since 2002 (the same year as USAIR’s first bankruptcy and the IAM rolled over for concessions)?

P.S. you should read about your vs. you’re. Kind of like all ready vs. already. We had a poster that habitually conflated the two.

Josh

 

[737823]

IAM never stated there would be a vote.

Only plan out there?

The company and the union can agree for AA to start a new DBP.

Stop with the fearmongering you are smarter than that.

The company is not going to start a new DB plan are you out of your mind?

Josh

 

[Bob Owens]

The company is not going to start a new DB plan are you out of your mind?

Josh

Forget the DB, if anything the one we had helped them get more in concessions from us than we will ever get from it.

My Cousin is just two months older than I. My Uncle got him a job in the Union as a Surveyor. Through the Union he has an annuity where for every hour worked the company contributed a flat sum of money, every hour. They never gave concessions, through bad times they took the layoffs. Still his annuity went into the millions, he is now retired. He lives well. in good times he can live well off the earnings. When he dies his heirs get the rest.

I had a Company DB. It was frozen just at the point where my benefits spiked up. The last 10 years would have earned almost as much as the first 25. Prior to it being frozen my union convinced enough of us to take massive concessions which limited my ability to fund my back up plan, my 401K savings. Needless to say I'm still working, and will for several more years, with just 25 paid days off a year, just five days more than most people start off off with. When we die, my heirs get nothing from my DB which despite the fact that I paid into it for most of my working life, will only give me about half of what I was expecting.

The pilots get 16% for their 401K. 16% for the rest of my working life , along with my match, would go a lot father than a new BD plan.

Lesson for the Young; Save early, save hard, invest if you can in real property and never, ever get tied into any sort of scheme that promises you security later for years of concessions now. Get as much value now as you possibly can, there is no such thing as investing in yourself if it means you are working for less for someone else. No such thing as security where the means to that security is out of reach, held by an employer. Never let your employer convince you to leave a penny that is yours on the table. The other day I received a call at home asking about the location of some paperwork. I told them where I left it, then when Iwent back to work I put in for the hour of pay. I was shocked to learn that a coworker with 35 years was also called, but he didn't put in for the hour. The same contract that allows them to only recognize FIVE Federal Holidays, and only pay us HALF PAY when we work also entitles us to that hour. The point? TAKE EVERY DOLLAR YOU CAN GET, and move it as far away from your employer as possible, or even your Union, THAT is the only way to achieve financial security, both now and in the future.

 

[Bob Owens]

Cause it was a TWU gig.

Exactly, we are not united, we are not one, and never will be with this Association and we need a Union. That's why four years after we still don't have a JCBA and are still at the bottom of the industry despite record profits.

 

[The Watcher]

Why does it work for the CWA/IBT and has for over a decade?

And the leadership is certainly unified now.

Why so you could pull another TWA?

 

[737823]

Forget the DB, if anything the one we had helped them get more in concessions from us than we will ever get from it.

My Cousin is just two months older than I. My Uncle got him a job in the Union as a Surveyor. Through the Union he has an annuity where for every hour worked the company contributed a flat sum of money, every hour. They never gave concessions, through bad times they took the layoffs. Still his annuity went into the millions, he is now retired. He lives well. in good times he can live well off the earnings. When he dies his heirs get the rest.

I had a Company DB. It was frozen just at the point where my benefits spiked up. The last 10 years would have earned almost as much as the first 25. Prior to it being frozen my union convinced enough of us to take massive concessions which limited my ability to fund my back up plan, my 401K savings. Needless to say I'm still working, and will for several more years, with just 25 paid days off a year, just five days more than most people start off off with. When we die, my heirs get nothing from my DB which despite the fact that I paid into it for most of my working life, will only give me about half of what I was expecting.

The pilots get 16% for their 401K. 16% for the rest of my working life , along with my match, would go a lot father than a new BD plan.

Lesson for the Young; Save early, save hard, invest if you can in real property and never, ever get tied into any sort of scheme that promises you security later for years of concessions now. Get as much value now as you possibly can, there is no such thing as investing in yourself if it means you are working for less for someone else. No such thing as security where the means to that security is out of reach, held by an employer. Never let your employer convince you to leave a penny that is yours on the table. The other day I received a call at home asking about the location of some paperwork. I told them where I left it, then when Iwent back to work I put in for the hour of pay. I was shocked to learn that a coworker with 35 years was also called, but he didn't put in for the hour. The same contract that allows them to only recognize FIVE Federal Holidays, and only pay us HALF PAY when we work also entitles us to that hour. The point? TAKE EVERY DOLLAR YOU CAN GET, and move it as far away from your employer as possible, or even your Union, THAT is the only way to achieve financial security, both now and in the future.

Bob it’s great you are back on here. Are your kids in college yet? I know we’ve had our disagreements over the years but I have the utmost respect for you as a leader and fighter for your craft.

Josh

 

[737823]

Why does it work for the CWA/IBT and has for over a decade?

And the leadership is certainly unified now.

Why so you could pull another TWA?

The IAM waived the LPPs in order for the deal to be consummated...APFA/TWU simply honored the process and acted in the interest of their membership clearly a novel concept at the IAM. And nAAtives have been furloughed whole LLCers we’re riding high in the last 15 years tell me how that’s fair or that LLCers displaced nAAtive 737 and 757/767 Pilots at MIA.

Josh

 

[WeAAsles]

The IAM waived the LPPs in order for the deal to be consummated...APFA/TWU simply honored the process and acted in the interest of their membership clearly a novel concept at the IAM. And nAAtives have been furloughed whole LLCers we’re riding high in the last 15 years tell me how that’s fair or that LLCers displaced nAAtive 737 and 757/767 Pilots at MIA.

You know you’ve really become nothing more than junk mail in a mailbox that needs to be pulled out and just thrown away every couple of days.

Josh

 

[737823]

You know you’ve really become nothing more than junk mail in a mailbox that needs to be pulled out and just thrown away every couple of days.

Josh

Refute anything that I just posted.

You can act like a philanthropist and that the LLCers are your “brothers and sisters” but with your 05/1995 seniority you would have been on the street had they gotten full DOH across the system. It’s convenient for you to act this way now but you would have been adversely impacted had they gotten full DOH.

Stop with the revisionist history.

Josh

 

[swamt]

Because, I believe, they don't want to come clean that they want us all in the IAMNPF. When it does eventually come out, they hope on a TA, they will claim that they have made that clear since day one in the Association Document. I believe the Association has deliberately dragged these talks out, while the IAM members enjoy the paid Holidays, the cheaper medical, doubletime etc, to soften up the TWU side into accepting the IAMNPF. The IAM side refused to participate in the demonstrations that the TWU coordinated in all the Legacy AA hubs, nothing happened in the Legacy US hubs. This was a clear signal by the Association to the company that the IAM side was happy and that if they included the IAMNPF and the Medical they could get the outsourcing and a JCBA that locks us into the bottom for the next 5 years. Even more so than the Medical and the outsourcing I believe making the IAMNPF acceptable to the TWU membership is the biggest hold up to getting a JCBA. remember, a 5 year deal only locks us in for 5 years, the company has several options, that they have repeatedly used to get out of a deal they find unfavorable. That said I will not vote for a five year deal.

I have said that about the IAMNPF from the beginning. Another reason I have also been saying there will be kaos on T/A day when all the details are finally released and the membership will see what was really going on behind closed doors.

IAM never stated there would be a vote.

Only plan out there?


The company and the union can agree for AA to start a new DBP.

Stop with the fearmongering you are smarter than that.

The IAm did in fact say there would be a vote on rather the membership wanted the asso. or not. First the TWU did and then the officers combining this asso. also put it in writing as a Q & A that there would be a vote. The asso is made up of the TWU and the IAM so yes absolutely the IAM did say there would be a vote. Stop trying to spin the IAM out of it, they are just as guilty if not more as this asso thing was completely drummed up by them as they knew they would have been replaced if there was a vote between the two unions like should have happened from the get go.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob it’s great you are back on here. Are your kids in college yet? I know we’ve had our disagreements over the years but I have the utmost respect for you as a leader and fighter for your craft.

Josh

Youngest going into his 3rd year.