TWU/IAM Members: How Long Will Negotiations Take?

[Worldport]

I guess you just ignore that when we could have been released during Mediation to a 30 day cooling off period the twu didn't pursue it.

As for the agents contract I don't think the twu/IAM represented groups can point the finger at anyone. We are industry leaders in givebacks.

You're not going to get an argument from me on that one

 

[MetalMover]

My sister is among the strikers works for Verizon 30 + years another huge company making  huge profits wanting  concessions. not really a laughing matter if you have a mortgage 

So would be willing to insist the ASSociation consider a strike if AA doesn't give us a contract consistent with that of a company making record profits? I assure you, many TWU/IAM members have mortgages as well. Or is it going to be "RAH RAH Verizon" but not us?

 

[Worldport]

So would be willing to insist the ASSociation consider a strike if AA doesn't give us a contract consistent with that of a company making record profits? I assure you, many TWU/IAM members have mortgages as well. Or is it going to be "RAH RAH Verizon" but not us?

Metalmover I think you are one of the more levelheaded on here. you know any strike by the largest airline in the world would met with a presidential order to be back at work the next day so the point is moot. No rah rah my sister hates being on strike. the rumor she is hearing is they will be out two weeks and that will take care of the raises they get sounds like that infamous cost neutral  thing doesn't it.

 

[MetalMover]

Metalmover I think you are one of the more levelheaded on here. you know any strike by the largest airline in the world would met with a presidential order to be back at work the next day so the point is moot. No rah rah my sister hates being on strike. the rumor she is hearing is they will be out two weeks and that will take care of the raises they get sounds like that infamous cost neutral  thing doesn't it.

World, I am fully aware how the system works. My point is that many of us get some kind of satisfaction when we see other unions take action against companies raking in billions. But for us members of the TWU, we have never come anywhere near going on strike. We will never know what is like to strike.We will never know the feeling.  And you are correct about airline strikes. They just won't happen. Just look at UA/CO. How long have they been negotiating and still no release. So the board is tilted in airline management's favor as they know we are helpless, hence dragging negotiations on for years.
Now, as for the Verizon issues, yes it does sound like the cost neutral thing. The union's big issues are kicking in more for medical and reduced pension benefits. Sadly, this is the way of the corporate world. Little by little, those once untouchable unions are getting kinks in their armor and soon every working person in America will be under the same pressures, be it private or public unions.
 
But one thing to consider.....Imagine paying more for medical and a loss of pension benefits WITHOUT a raise....

 

[700UW]

You all seem to forget the RLA was made into legislation to prevent the stoppage of interstate commerce. There were no airlines around when the law was enacted in 1926 and was amended in 1937 to include the airlines .

There were many wildcat strikes in the railroads so the law was passed to allow unionization, but the trade was Section 6.

 

[Worldport]

World, I am fully aware how the system works. My point is that many of us get some kind of satisfaction when we see other unions take action against companies raking in billions. But for us members of the TWU, we have never come anywhere near going on strike. We will never know what is like to strike.We will never know the feeling.  And you are correct about airline strikes. They just won't happen. Just look at UA/CO. How long have they been negotiating and still no release. So the board is tilted in airline management's favor as they know we are helpless, hence dragging negotiations on for years.
Now, as for the Verizon issues, yes it does sound like the cost neutral thing. The union's big issues are kicking in more for medical and reduced pension benefits. Sadly, this is the way of the corporate world. Little by little, those once untouchable unions are getting kinks in their armor and soon every working person in America will be under the same pressures, be it private or public unions.
 
But one thing to consider.....Imagine paying more for medical and a loss of pension benefits WITHOUT a raise....

In the end all the decent middle class jobs will be gone they decimated our industry now they are going after Verizon they already formed a lower paying non union company you probably have their product on your person. Remember b scale i'll never forget Crandalll "now we can compete with anybody". I wonder who will draw the line in the sand?

 

[Kev3188]

Beats me; seems like we're all too busy beating each other down to ever think about pulling each other up again...

 

[MetalMover]

In the end all the decent middle class jobs will be gone they decimated our industry now they are going after Verizon they already formed a lower paying non union company you probably have their product on your person. Remember b scale i'll never forget Crandalll "now we can compete with anybody". I wonder who will draw the line in the sand?

It won't be any airline union, that's for sure.

 

[Worldport]

It won't be any airline union, that's for sure.

You know I don't think airline unions have a very good track record when it comes to striking at least the ones I remember, admittedly  some of them were forced to strike

 

[DallasConehead]

On June 12, 2010, Spirit grounded its flights when its unionized pilots walked out on strike, stranding thousands of passengers.[14] The ultimately successful pilot strike came after more than four years of inconclusive negotiations between the airline and the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), which represents Spirit's pilots. On June 15, negotiations between the airline and ALPA resumed, and a tentative agreement was reached late in the evening on June 16. The tentative agreement, which Spirit pilots later ratified by a 74% margin, brought the Spirit pilots' compensation and benefits in line with comparable U.S. Airbus operators. Flights eventually resumed.[15] Of particular note, is that this was the first legal industrial action (strike) by U.S. ALPA represented pilots since 2005 (Polar Air Cargo), and the first passenger airline strike by U.S. ALPA represented pilots since 2001 (Comair).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_Airlines

 

[Worldport]

On June 12, 2010, Spirit grounded its flights when its unionized pilots walked out on strike, stranding thousands of passengers.[14] The ultimately successful pilot strike came after more than four years of inconclusive negotiations between the airline and the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), which represents Spirit's pilots. On June 15, negotiations between the airline and ALPA resumed, and a tentative agreement was reached late in the evening on June 16. The tentative agreement, which Spirit pilots later ratified by a 74% margin, brought the Spirit pilots' compensation and benefits in line with comparable U.S. Airbus operators. Flights eventually resumed.[15] Of particular note, is that this was the first legal industrial action (strike) by U.S. ALPA represented pilots since 2005 (Polar Air Cargo), and the first passenger airline strike by U.S. ALPA represented pilots since 2001 (Comair). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_Airlines

I'm not saying their weren't any,  in fact just the threat of a strike successfully raised compensation time and time again but that was a long time ago when you were a little Conehead and I had hair

 

[MetalMover]

On June 12, 2010, Spirit grounded its flights when its unionized pilots walked out on strike, stranding thousands of passengers.[14] The ultimately successful pilot strike came after more than four years of inconclusive negotiations between the airline and the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA), which represents Spirit's pilots. On June 15, negotiations between the airline and ALPA resumed, and a tentative agreement was reached late in the evening on June 16. The tentative agreement, which Spirit pilots later ratified by a 74% margin, brought the Spirit pilots' compensation and benefits in line with comparable U.S. Airbus operators. Flights eventually resumed.[15] Of particular note, is that this was the first legal industrial action (strike) by U.S. ALPA represented pilots since 2005 (Polar Air Cargo), and the first passenger airline strike by U.S. ALPA represented pilots since 2001 (Comair). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_Airlines

Then please explain why the mechanics at UA/CO have not been released thus far? Maybe size matters?

 

[Worldport]

Then please explain why the mechanics at UA/CO have not been released thus far? Maybe size matters?

Probably does, on a personal note I hope it doesn't but an airline that  size probably wouldn't hurt commerce.

 

[MetalMover]

Probably does, on a personal note I hope it doesn't but an airline that  size probably wouldn't hurt commerce.

Bingo. using Spirit airlines as an example of airline union might is probably not the best example.

 

[WeAAsles]

Probably does, on a personal note I hope it doesn't but an airline that  size probably wouldn't hurt commerce.

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/10/business/bush-issues-order-preventing-strike-by-airline-union.html