TWU/IAM Members: How Long Will Negotiations Take?

[WeAAsles]

Not taking offense to anything. But as you just posted regarding salaries...."People always prefer to look up at the sky rather than down at the dirt."
You bring up AMFA's failures and their getting ousted at UA....But don't mention what they achieved at SWA or the fact that their mechanics stick with them. Kind of the same thing...
 
As for giving the ASSociation a chance, well we have no choice. But if they do fail us, and subsequently screw us as far as aircraft maintenance goes, I would suspect a another card drive. And maybe an even more energetic one at that given there will be MORE mechanics (LUS) who would be added to the "screwed" list.

Metal that's the question I've asked. What have they achieved contract wise (yet) for SWA? Nothing personal to them really. And it wasn't me who brought up them getting ousted at UAL. That group over there needs to stop changing out their underwear so much IMO. IAM sux, AMFA, sux, now the IBT sux. After all that I don't think the TWU would even return any phone calls? I wouldn't.

But if the Association is an utter failure with all the profits this airline is making and forecast to make, maybe changing your underwear is not a bad idea?   

 

[MetalMover]

Metal that's the question I've asked. What have they achieved contract wise (yet) for SWA? Nothing personal to them really. And it wasn't me who brought up them getting ousted at UAL. That group over there needs to stop changing out their underwear so much IMO. IAM sux, AMFA, sux, now the IBT sux. After all that I don't think the TWU would even return any phone calls? I wouldn't.

But if the Association is an utter failure with all the profits this airline is making and forecast to make, maybe changing your underwear is not a bad idea?   

Not for my work group...What about yours?

 

[WeAAsles]

I guess you could. I wish we AA mechanics could say the same.
Heck, since you went there, couldn't you say the TWU has done very well regarding the pay and benefits over at the bus and rail divisions?
I guess the THAT TWU never had a cozy relationship with the Legacy AA management.

NYC is a very different beast. Most desirable city in the world to live in so the residents are going to pay the price. NOT ME.

 

[WeAAsles]

Not for my work group...What about yours?

Changing out our underwear? I very much doubt it. We have our own level of apathy just like you guys.

 

[MetalMover]

Changing out our underwear? I very much doubt it. We have our own level of apathy just like you guys.

Then we are doomed..all of us....

 

[WeAAsles]

Then we are doomed..all of us....

Maybe? There are a lot more outside forces at work that I'm worried about than the intersquabbles of who likes what Union better?

If those POS Politicians can get a National Right To Work law implemented, you don't think they're coming after the RLA next?

We got to get rid of that little privileged mindset we have for ourselves.

 

[700UW]

Don't forget the TWU represents the FAs at WN and they do pretty well they are towards the top of the industry.

And thanks to the TWU and the IAM having a Me-Too clause just got more money at WN

 

[MetalMover]

Don't forget the TWU represents the FAs at WN and they do pretty well they are towards the top of the industry.

And thanks to the TWU and the IAM having a Me-Too clause just got more money at WN

The TWU just does wonders for workers.....But not AA represented ones.

 

[WeAAsles]

This is for real people! Stop settling

"As indicated in last weeks update, no negotiations took place this week nor will there be any talks next week. The two sides will resume Mon. Feb 29th. The frustration of these erratic meets is real for all of us and this week we were given the reason for these interruptions. Previous communiques sent to you had introduced you all to Jerry Glass, chief negotiator for F&H Solutions, the firm hired by AA to represent the company for their side of Negotiations. This is the same firm that United Airlines is using with their Mechanic negotiations and for as much as AA has expressed a readiness to present us with raises and a unified contract with our USAir counterparts, the perception now given is that AA has been less than truthful on these promises. Combined with not having yet produced any offer of a contract for us, it appears Mr Glass's busy schedule will dictate the pace of our talks.
On that same note we can determine that our interests and involvement here at AA has much in common with our peers at United. On the company side, referenced by the usage of the same negotiating firm we can see these two Airlines utilize the same playbook. For those of you paying attention to what's occurring at United, the case can be made that the way in which that mechanic group is battling to obtain a fair contract will be emulated here at AA. Hardcore strategies by the Companies void of any interests to make a mends for any previous transgressions. And.....
We continue to have our noses rubbed in the obscene profit numbers and monies available that continue to escape us. Massive profits being doled out to employees at other Airlines ie. Delta, Southwest and others. Raises obtained with other work groups here at AA, and now....recent notification that upper tier management here at AA will enjoy 18% bonuses in the near future. What makes this a sour pill to swallow is the inclusion in our present Contract of Gain Share:
Attachment 4.3 found on page 32 of our current M&R Contract effective Sept. 2012
ATTACHMENT 4.3- PROCESS IMPROVEMENT - LINE EMPLOYEE GAIN SHARING PLAN
"During the recent negotiations, the parties committed to jointly develop a variable compensation plan (“Plan”) that will be applicable to TWU employees in the Maintenance and Engineering department.
An appropriate recognition system is a meaningful way to keep our people engaged.
The variable compensation plan covering Line Maintenance employees will incorporate the following principles:
– Tied to corporate and Line Maintenance business results
– Structured to motivate continuous improvement"
Translation: Our pay has the ability to reflect the same increases enjoyed by other employees including management and based on the same variables. One of many pieces of our current Contract that goes unrecognized by AA.
Along with the determined effort to strip our work group of Aircraft brake riding and Taxi/Tow operations, continued expansion of new hire Supervisory personnel, increased investigations and counseling for frivolous issues including no-badge-in/out, continued Contract violations including seniority recognition and job-class cross utilization, we can only hope that these challenges will serve to unite us.
I take no pleasure to instill all this negativity but for those of you that continue to cross fingers in hopes that the Company will freely hand over what we believe is owed needs to see our present engagement for what it is. Having said that, I look forward to the day we can celebrate a more positive path toward the future. Stay tuned."

** A special shout out to the fellas upstairs in Training. The ability to demonstrate unity with a positive end result is rare but now proven. Good job.

 

[xUT]

Don't forget the TWU represents the FAs at WN and they do pretty well they are towards the top of the industry.

And thanks to the TWU and the IAM having a Me-Too clause just got more money at WN

Too bad you industrial unionistas have to have a 'me too' clause because you can not stand on your own merit.
Horrible that you industrial unionistas bring back contracts that allow 'must cross picket' language.
Horrible that you industrial unionistas created a 'B' scale and 'C' scale throughout the industry.
 
JMHO,
B) xUT

 

[Rogallo]

Pitiful, ain't we!

 

[xUT]

Pitiful, ain't we!

I did 5 years on 'B' scale at UA.
 
UA iam blamed the twu at AA. Righteously so, if I may add...
 
B) xUT

 

[700UW]

The IAM PMUS CBA doesn't contain language to cross a picket line, it actually has the opposite and protects the members from any discipline it the honor a legal and sanctioned picket line on US property.

 

[swamt]

AMFA is going on six years, SWAPA and the TWU (FAs) voted a TA down. But hey you always blame the union, never the company.

I chime in when someone post mis information and this comment requires correcting.  AMFA is NOT going on 6 years of contract nego's, not even close.  AMFA's contract was not amendable until Aug. 2012.  That would put us at around 3.5 years and you are trying to lead people out here believe that we are going on 6 years which is not even close.  As usual, you really should do your homework prior to posting about issues you know nothing about.  Trying to double the time frame of contract nego's is a just a shot from you trying to make AMFA look bad or negative, and if this is all you have I am sure you will continue to "fish" for something more.  
Now to answer some other's.  AMFA has done way more than any other union at SWA for the mechanics. AMFA is also working with the company now to add more maint. lines, more hangar spaces in numerous cities that currently have none or as in one city expanding hangar space to more than double the capacity.  Also adding headcount by well over 100 in 2016. Not to mention the added headcount on a continuing basis for the last several years.  I will add one item. AMFA is the only union that has not just bowed down to the company and caved in for the concessions time and time again like the industrial unions have for decades. At least AMFA has shown that they stand up and fight for their members not just sit there and agree with the company on everything. Sorry for rambling all, but needed to chime in there, carry on with the conversations...

 

[WeAAsles]

This is for real people! Stop settling

"As indicated in last weeks update, no negotiations took place this week nor will there be any talks next week. The two sides will resume Mon. Feb 29th. The frustration of these erratic meets is real for all of us and this week we were given the reason for these interruptions. Previous communiques sent to you had introduced you all to Jerry Glass, chief negotiator for F&H Solutions, the firm hired by AA to represent the company for their side of Negotiations. This is the same firm that United Airlines is using with their Mechanic negotiations and for as much as AA has expressed a readiness to present us with raises and a unified contract with our USAir counterparts, the perception now given is that AA has been less than truthful on these promises. Combined with not having yet produced any offer of a contract for us, it appears Mr Glass's busy schedule will dictate the pace of our talks.
On that same note we can determine that our interests and involvement here at AA has much in common with our peers at United. On the company side, referenced by the usage of the same negotiating firm we can see these two Airlines utilize the same playbook. For those of you paying attention to what's occurring at United, the case can be made that the way in which that mechanic group is battling to obtain a fair contract will be emulated here at AA. Hardcore strategies by the Companies void of any interests to make a mends for any previous transgressions. And.....
We continue to have our noses rubbed in the obscene profit numbers and monies available that continue to escape us. Massive profits being doled out to employees at other Airlines ie. Delta, Southwest and others. Raises obtained with other work groups here at AA, and now....recent notification that upper tier management here at AA will enjoy 18% bonuses in the near future. What makes this a sour pill to swallow is the inclusion in our present Contract of Gain Share:
Attachment 4.3 found on page 32 of our current M&R Contract effective Sept. 2012
ATTACHMENT 4.3- PROCESS IMPROVEMENT - LINE EMPLOYEE GAIN SHARING PLAN
"During the recent negotiations, the parties committed to jointly develop a variable compensation plan (“Plan”) that will be applicable to TWU employees in the Maintenance and Engineering department.
An appropriate recognition system is a meaningful way to keep our people engaged.
The variable compensation plan covering Line Maintenance employees will incorporate the following principles:
– Tied to corporate and Line Maintenance business results
– Structured to motivate continuous improvement"
Translation: Our pay has the ability to reflect the same increases enjoyed by other employees including management and based on the same variables. One of many pieces of our current Contract that goes unrecognized by AA.
Along with the determined effort to strip our work group of Aircraft brake riding and Taxi/Tow operations, continued expansion of new hire Supervisory personnel, increased investigations and counseling for frivolous issues including no-badge-in/out, continued Contract violations including seniority recognition and job-class cross utilization, we can only hope that these challenges will serve to unite us.
I take no pleasure to instill all this negativity but for those of you that continue to cross fingers in hopes that the Company will freely hand over what we believe is owed needs to see our present engagement for what it is. Having said that, I look forward to the day we can celebrate a more positive path toward the future. Stay tuned."

** A special shout out to the fellas upstairs in Training. The ability to demonstrate unity with a positive end result is rare but now proven. Good job.

How much would 18% of your pay be?