TWU/IAM Members: How Long Will Negotiations Take?

[WeAAsles]

That is true, you will often see the TWU refer to FAA certified A&P Mechanics as "maintenance workers".  Believe it or not, there is a psychology to that.  It also explains why the TWU, and other "one size fits all" airline unions IAM IBT etc. never got behind pushing for F.A.R. Part 66.  Why the same unions have influenced the NMB to keep our work scope watered down to include any job type they can try to justify to be included in the AMT's representational voting block.  This strategy has helped prevent AMFA from representing AMTs nationwide at most carriers - not unlike the ALPA. 
 
The TWU likes to play favorites as well.  Take a look at the darlings of the TWU in Flight Dispatch & Simulator Techs - both were in Jim Little's former local.  The latest slight by the TWU, giving facilities maintenance mechanics .80 cents per hour base pay more than a FAA licensed A&P Mechanic.  Anything to further diminish the value of our license pay by giving every other title group some sort of skill pay.  This crap has gone on for decades, we point it out - and then here comes the excuse train.  "You voted for it" "you guys are elitists", "a loaf of bread costs this guy as it costs you".  Karl Marx would be proud.

Jim Little has left the building. Don't know where he is today?

Have you ever talked to the "people" who are in office now? Would you ever even make the effort to dial the phone numbers?

Nah. Doesn't fit the "damn you all" narrative.

 

[Buck]

That is true, you will often see the TWU refer to FAA certified A&P Mechanics as "maintenance workers".  Believe it or not, there is a psychology to that.  It also explains why the TWU, and other "one size fits all" airline unions IAM IBT etc. never got behind pushing for F.A.R. Part 66.  Why the same unions have influenced the NMB to keep our work scope watered down to include any job type they can try to justify to be included in the AMT's representational voting block.  This strategy has helped prevent AMFA from representing AMTs nationwide at most carriers - not unlike the ALPA. 
 
The TWU likes to play favorites as well.  Take a look at the darlings of the TWU in Flight Dispatch & Simulator Techs - both were in Jim Little's former local.  The latest slight by the TWU, giving facilities maintenance mechanics .80 cents per hour base pay more than a FAA licensed A&P Mechanic.  Anything to further diminish the value of our license pay by giving every other title group some sort of skill pay.  This crap has gone on for decades, we point it out - and then here comes the excuse train.  "You voted for it" "you guys are elitists", "a loaf of bread costs this guy as it costs you".  Karl Marx would be proud.

The Catch all unions are familiar with one thing, Socialism, right down the loaf of bread. 

 

[WeAAsles]

The Catch all unions are familiar with one thing, Socialism, right down the loaf of bread.

So I suppose you support Donald Trump then? Yes a NYC Billionaire businessman.

Thomas Jefferson who you quote would be supportive of your choice I'm sure, lol.


"It is neither wealth nor splendor; but tranquility and occupation which give you happiness."

Thomas Jefferson

 

[Vortilon]

Jim Little has left the building. Don't know where he is today?

Have you ever talked to the "people" who are in office now? Would you ever even make the effort to dial the phone numbers?

Nah. Doesn't fit the "damn you all" narrative.

The people in office now?  Clearly you have missed the point.  They have everything in place to work out - for their benefit.  The industrial union leadership creates an illusion of caring for AMT jobs in the US, while stabbing us in the back.  Damn you all narrative?  No, just realistic.

 

[Overspeed]

Vortilon,
The TWU did try to push Part 66. TWU sent COPE members to push for that with representatives and TWU legal counsel Art Luby was involved with working on the language for that FAR change. I was active in 513 COPE over 15 years ago and I spoke to congressmen about it. The problem was MRO groups and airlines that outsourced didn't want it and had the dollars to squash it. I never heard of the IBT, IAM, or AMFA pushing for Part 66 ever. Maybe the TWU should have at the time educated the other unions and partnered with them. MROs didn't want the European system because it requires all line AMTs to have formal training by the OEMs and practicals to sign off items without work cards. The standard for a fully certified release mechanic in Europe requires months of training on one fleet. In addition recurrent training was required to maintain your fleet ratings. We would have truly been looked upon as professionals in the educational sense.
 
And read the TWU scope clause, the TWU even referenced Part 66 in the contract.

 

[700UW]

The IAM also pushed for Part 66 as well as the stopping g of foreign outsourcing.

Guess most mechanics don't realize Elizabeth Dole was Secratery of Transportation and pushed for the foreign outsourcing with Reagan's blessing.

Didnt the TWU put out that great report on outsourcing?

 

[DallasConehead]

Yea yea yea, TWU put resources behind the 66 re-write. AFL-CIO lacked the political will and that was that. You know how they are, in the working mans corner, looking out for the worker, blah blah blah... $$$$$$, that's what its all about.. What else is new?

 

[WeAAsles]

Vortilon,
The TWU did try to push Part 66. TWU sent COPE members to push for that with representatives and TWU legal counsel Art Luby was involved with working on the language for that FAR change. I was active in 513 COPE over 15 years ago and I spoke to congressmen about it. The problem was MRO groups and airlines that outsourced didn't want it and had the dollars to squash it. I never heard of the IBT, IAM, or AMFA pushing for Part 66 ever. Maybe the TWU should have at the time educated the other unions and partnered with them. MROs didn't want the European system because it requires all line AMTs to have formal training by the OEMs and practicals to sign off items without work cards. The standard for a fully certified release mechanic in Europe requires months of training on one fleet. In addition recurrent training was required to maintain your fleet ratings. We would have truly been looked upon as professionals in the educational sense.
 
And read the TWU scope clause, the TWU even referenced Part 66 in the contract.

We have too many members in both Maintenance and Fleet that expect their leaders to do everything for them without lifting even a finger themselves.

"That's what I pay THEM for"

Bad ideology.

 

[DallasConehead]

We have too many members in both Maintenance and Fleet that expect their leaders to do everything for them without lifting even a finger themselves.

"That's what I pay THEM for"

Bad ideology.

So,,, if I need to do everything myself, then what exactly do I pay THEM  for?

 

[WeAAsles]

So,,, if I need to do everything myself, then what exactly do I pay THEM  for?

Everything? Tell me one thing that YOU have done to support your profession and stop all the outsourcing to Third World Countries?

If you have done ANYTHING then congratulations. You're a part of a very low minority I'm sure.

 

[700UW]

Wonder if he voted for Reagan at all?

 

[Vortilon]

Vortilon,
The TWU did try to push Part 66. TWU sent COPE members to push for that with representatives and TWU legal counsel Art Luby was involved with working on the language for that FAR change. I was active in 513 COPE over 15 years ago and I spoke to congressmen about it. The problem was MRO groups and airlines that outsourced didn't want it and had the dollars to squash it. I never heard of the IBT, IAM, or AMFA pushing for Part 66 ever. Maybe the TWU should have at the time educated the other unions and partnered with them. MROs didn't want the European system because it requires all line AMTs to have formal training by the OEMs and practicals to sign off items without work cards. The standard for a fully certified release mechanic in Europe requires months of training on one fleet. In addition recurrent training was required to maintain your fleet ratings. We would have truly been looked upon as professionals in the educational sense.
 
And read the TWU scope clause, the TWU even referenced Part 66 in the contract.

Point is, they lost the initiative.  Then things went to hell in a hand basket for AMTs.  At the time, AMFA didn't have the resources to push for part 66.  We have never recovered, and I don't see it happening with our current representation.  Unforgivable...

 

[xUT]

Wonder if he voted for Reagan at all?

Who signed the NAFTA agreement?
DemoRats Screw "US" as much if not more than the RepubliRats.
 
Truth!

 

[xUT]

Everything? Tell me one thing that YOU have done to support your profession and stop all the outsourcing to Third World Countries?

If you have done ANYTHING then congratulations. You're a part of a very low minority I'm sure.

What have 'YOU!' done?
I supported striking workers.  Walked picket lines. Donated $$$ for workers on strike.
B) xUT

 

[Show me the money]

There is no transparency! Did they meet today in DC? no one knows. If they let us know just when they are meeting, at least that would be something. We will be lucky if they meet three times this week with the most important thing being discussed what's for lunch. They need to be sent somewhere and not come back until an agreement is reached. When the wife would call and say the kids are calling the milk man dad, see how urgent talks would be. I can fell it again BOHICA.