TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[Rogallo]

His motivations are crystal clear.

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

Bob I feel sorry for you. I believe you have a good Heart. and I do believe you are a honest Man. But you have lost touch with the membership. I love the way you keep saying that you have provided a way to have you removed. Why don't you try explaining what happened when one of our members had a pretty bad problem with one of your board members. 
 
They made a formal complaint. and what did you guys do. You didn't even contact me to ask what happened. I was not only there but I step in between both of them to make sure no one lost there job. How the hell can you guys have done a investigation with out talking to Me or the other people that was there. FACT. 
 
Money and Power. Remember those Words.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

His motivations are crystal clear.

Indeed.

 

[1AA]

GQ,
Definitely not a hypocrite. I posted here many times in the past that no one from the union should be posting on a public forum about internal issues. How many officers have posted about the negotiations weren't going the way they wanted so what did they do, they posted here to broadcast all the disarray on the committee (Bob and Chuck).
 
I look in the mirror and I see someone who is frustrated with the lack of leadership from within the TWU. Bob is the leadership. I'm not an officer or a rep so I wouldn't know most of what I do if it weren't posted here on this forum. So yes, I complain about having union meetings at the terminal or on company premises for that matter. The officers should only be engaging members on the field to find out what it is they need to show up at a meeting.
 
If the local can't get it's members to even come in a little early or stay a little late then Bob's hope that we all lock arms and shut the place down if we don't get the uber-deal he says we can get then guess what, we aren't getting it. And the company knows we are in disarray and individuals. When one set of reps (DFW and ORD) is fighting the company and the other is working closely with them (MIA) they don't have to read this blog, Wroble knows he has us right where he wants us.
 
I believe that Knapp and Rojas are our best bet to getting some kind of unity in 591. I've heard from MIA that Knapp knows how to get his officers on the same page and that's what we need. GP is out for himself and GS still wants AMFA. Knapp and Rojas can make the union we have work for the members.

Sounds to me like you have a personal issue with Gary Peterson. Maybe you should sit down face to face with him and sort out your differences.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob,
The terminal? Why are you having union meetings on company property? Doesn't that mean management can hear whatever you are saying?
 

 
Its in the terminal but not AA property. The room is rented from the Miami International Airport Hotel on the airport. Unfortunately, with people like you in the Union management hears everything anyway. 

 

[1AA]

Its in the terminal but not AA property. The room is rented from the Miami International Airport Hotel on the airport. Unfortunately, with people like you in the Union management hears everything anyway.

Its in the terminal but not AA property. The room is rented from the Miami International Airport Hotel on the airport. Unfortunately, with people like you in the Union management hears everything anyway.

OUCH! I felt that one under my seat from my keyboard.

 

[Shafted]

How many does it take to cost millions of dollars worth of damage and kill people?
 
1.
 
Maybe you should reference the map.
 

 
A resident of "Tornado Alley".

Nice map!
How many have you seen?
I've bee a resident of "tornado Alley" since 1981 and still haven't seen one myself!

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I have seen 5 total. 3 close enough to cause damage to either my property or my neighbors.
 
My parents have had  a car blown off the driveway. The car was not damaged..... but it was not where they parked it either.

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

Bob. 
I am still waiting for your answer about my last post. Why dont you tell the people on this the board the TRUTH about what you guys did. Someone made a complaint and use the system that you like to brag about that you guys put into effect.
 
How did you investigate without talking to Me or the other people that was there when it happened. See this is why I am know for telling the TRUTH. It makes life SO much easier.
 
You are going to remember my WORDS. 
 
MONEY and POWER. 
 
Come on tell people how 591 Board did a proper investigation before finding one of your board members not guilty of what He was charged with doing. I am waiting. 

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

Bob 
Let me say this I am in no way just picking on you. You just happened to be the only one on the Board that has the Balls to come on here and let everyone know who you are. I have also done the same thing. Why dont you ask the other Board Members to do the same  so they can answer for some of the stuff that is going to keep coming out. 
 
I guess they may have something to hide. Or maybe they just like keep there secret deals SECRET.
 
Or maybe they could just Give Miami OUR Local Back and I would keep my Big Mouth closed.

 

[swamt]

Bob,
The terminal? Why are you having union meetings on company property? Doesn't that mean management can hear whatever you are saying?
 
The money spent on legal actions has produced what for the membership? That the Int'l was right they can determine the number of locals, that you can't keep an Int'l rep from bring present at negotiations? Soon we will probably find out that the local can't stop the Association as well. And what about the big FAA violations? I would have though by now if there was severe or even significant issues we would have seen some parked aircraft.
 
So that is a short list of bad financial decisions made by the 591 board, what about the financial decisions that did work? Well passed bylaw changes without membership approval to raise your salaries. Oh and authorize UBC for the you and the rest of the Fantastic Four to be paid out of our membership dues your full wages to hide in the union office without membership approval.
 
The membership is very apathetic and its getting worse not better because the changes made weren't what the members wanted, it was what you thought we wanted. It makes you feel good and the rest of us think even less hopefully with all the bickering, fighting, and jockeying for power.
 
All that money wasted on BS lawsuits should have gone in to hiring our own economists, not you Wall Street Bob, to put together a real good JCBA proposal. Review the language and tell us how to make it better.
 
It has already been pointed out that you really don't understand the management games that are being played in each of the stations. Stations are being played against each other. If the DFW allegations were correct why did MIA pick up the work without a hiccup and turn the aircraft faster? Didn't GP coordinate with Rojas and Knapp? It is quite obvious there are deep differences with how the local should be run on the board. The 591 board is deeply divided. GP was out here telling us Mishak should be removed for his comments for God's sake. Shouldn't GP and the rest of the board dealt with a lack of unity internally before taking potshots on the floor at other members? Or is it this board's policy to blame everyone else for their lack of leadership skills.

An airport terminal is not AA's property.  

 

[Rogallo]

Bob 
Let me say this I am in no way just picking on you. You just happened to be the only one on the Board that has the Balls to come on here and let everyone know who you are. I have also done the same thing. Why dont you ask the other Board Members to do the same  so they can answer for some of the stuff that is going to keep coming out. 
 
I guess they may have something to hide. Or maybe they just like keep there secret deals SECRET.
 
Or maybe they could just Give Miami OUR Local Back and I would keep my Big Mouth closed.

 
For the sake of the ignorant please tell us who you are and what your situation is. Thx

 

[Overspeed]

swamt,
The terminal is leased by the company that operates it. Since the company pays the rent they have primary control under the terms and conditions of the lease agreement. Therefore having a meeting at the terminal under the control of the company means they can observe and listen to everything the union says on company controlled property.
 
So the point remains the same, why would a union hold meetings on company property (owned or leased) so that management can hear everything that you plan to do? 591 should be holding meetings at union controlled property where they can work with the members on what the plan is to get us the best contract in the industry without the company hearing everything you say. The same point goes for officers who are involved in negotiations with the company shouldn't be posting about how screwed up the committee is or the TWU strategy for negotiations. Why not just webcast every board meeting on the internet?

 

[Overspeed]

The Truth,
I would be a proponent of one local as long as it was for M&R members only. Having a region specific local made sense in the past when information wasn't so accessible and quick to be distributed. In the TWU structure one local would virtually eliminate the daily involvement of the Int'l, unless the single local was violating the law or Constitution. I agree with Bob on one local for M&R would streamline the process. The current issue is that GP does not have all the regional VPs following his agenda. Note what is happening with MIA and how the work is flowing there putting other members at risk. If the DFW/ORD safety allegations are correct, shouldn't GP have all his VPs working with the members to have a unified plan? By MIA pumping out the work that DFW and ORD say is not being done right it undermines and nullifies the lawsuit. Unless MIA is doing substandard work like GP is insinuating in the lawsuit.
 
Bottom line is that 591 is operating like separate unions for each region. The Regional VPs all do whatever they want and the company wins.

 

[Overspeed]

Bob,
Great point on the meeting, blogs, and "people like me". Knowing that very few people come to meetings, all the union dirty laundry is on the internet, and "people like me" why are you even waving the idea that we need to get released and threatening a strike? You need membership involvement and commitment to a plan. Without that you have no power, this union has no power.
 
Pretty pathetic that you can't get more than 100 people to walk from the ready room to a hotel at the airport to listen to you and GP.
 
And I am not insulted, I like being people like me. I'm fine with being educated and stating my opinion just like you. That is our right as members.