TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[swamt]

Three-fourths of the "maintenance personnel" of the new combined AA work for pmAA and one-fourth are employed by pmUS. So because the IAM was too busy in its representation of its constituents (which comprise a small minority of the total), the other three-quarters of the maintenance personnel had to just sit and cool their heels waiting for the IAM?

The TWU leadership has failed its members time and time again. This time the TWU leadership failed its members by not filing independently with the NMB in January, 2014, as the predominant union. The APA did not form an "association" with the abortion called USAPA nor did the APFA form an "association" with the AFA, and both of those workgroups are already enjoying their new higher pay with their combined CBAs. The maintenance personnel, on the other hand, have to wait for the IAM to conclude its section 6 negotiations because the TWU lacks the balls to assert itself as the sole representative.

Industrial unions are usually short on results but never short on excuses.

Very well said sir, AMEN!!!

 

[Hackman]

I suggest you call the EAP, you certainly need it.
 
And not getting paid by anyone.
 
Keep up that lie, lying and calling people names seems to be your forte.
 
A question was asked and I answered it.

...and I suggest you do something more constructive with your time and IAm paycheck,
like really using all the vaunted Idiots And Morons training you constantly crow about.

Like, oh...say assist the near worthless business union controller, The EIEIO-AFl CiO and the Industrial Union Machine
stopping right to work, as you know another state just fell, Wisconsin. A Blue State!!! How could you let that happen?

However, instead you push the unwanted IAm at airlines you never have worked at.

Be a real Industrial Union Man player, your calling awaits you 700.

P.S. 700, your beating on Pinocchio with claims of my lies and name calling....pluleese.

 

[Zom JFK]

The maintenance personnel, on the other hand, have to wait for the IAM to conclude its section 6 negotiations because the TWU lacks the balls to assert itself as the sole representative.

I think the twu has big balls. Look how they treat their members and get away with it. Got to give credit where it's due.

 

[TWU informer]

Three-fourths of the "maintenance personnel" of the new combined AA work for pmAA and one-fourth are employed by pmUS. So because the IAM was too busy in its representation of its constituents (which comprise a small minority of the total), the other three-quarters of the maintenance personnel had to just sit and cool their heels waiting for the IAM?

The TWU leadership has failed its members time and time again. This time the TWU leadership failed its members by not filing independently with the NMB in January, 2014, as the predominant union. The APA did not form an "association" with the abortion called USAPA nor did the APFA form an "association" with the AFA, and both of those workgroups are already enjoying their new higher pay with their combined CBAs. The maintenance personnel, on the other hand, have to wait for the IAM to conclude its section 6 negotiations because the TWU lacks the balls to assert itself as the sole representative.

Industrial unions are usually short on results but never short on excuses.

 
Exactly.
 
The whole sham is another attempt to prevent an NMB ballot to be in the hands of the membership. The TWU has used fear for so long, that they are scared of their own shadow. They know that given the chance, the membership would boot their asses to the curb, so they do all they can to prevent that chance from ever happening.
 
Someday, we the membership will wake up to the fact, that an organization that remains on the property only by use of less than honest tactics will never represent us properly. This has to be the most dysfunctional representation story ever to be part of organized labor history. Yet it is the blind following idiots that have let the TWU fear machine become their own demise. There is so much fear, that many would rather take the failure they know, than to step up and make change. One reason is they all stand around complaining and blaming the union. If they were to make a change, then they themselves would have to become accountable for our outcome. Much easier to go down the tubes with someone to blame. They have been dumbed down so bad they don't even trust themselves to belong to a properly functioning union.
 
And they call us humans, the intelligent species....pffft

 

[swamt]

 
Exactly.
 
The whole sham is another attempt to prevent an NMB ballot to be in the hands of the membership. The TWU has used fear for so long, that they are scared of their own shadow. They know that given the chance, the membership would boot their asses to the curb, so they do all they can to prevent that chance from ever happening.
 
Someday, we the membership will wake up to the fact, that an organization that remains on the property only by use of less than honest tactics will never represent us properly. This has to be the most dysfunctional representation story ever to be part of organized labor history. Yet it is the blind following idiots that have let the TWU fear machine become their own demise. There is so much fear, that many would rather take the failure they know, than to step up and make change. One reason is they all stand around complaining and blaming the union. If they were to make a change, then they themselves would have to become accountable for our outcome. Much easier to go down the tubes with someone to blame. They have been dumbed down so bad they don't even trust themselves to belong to a properly functioning union.
 
And they call us humans, the intelligent species....pffft

Well said...

 

[bob@las-AA]

Could anyone answer this question? ....In a letter sent to the NMB on Aug. 21,2014 by the TWU local591, it opposed any ballot to be issued by the NMB designating the "TWU/IAM the association" as the incumbent. for the purpose of a single carrier election. What ever became of that letter and was any follow-up letter filed, and or what the ballot changed?

 

[Rogallo]

Have you called the Hall and asked?

 

[NYer]

Three-fourths of the "maintenance personnel" of the new combined AA work for pmAA and one-fourth are employed by pmUS. So because the IAM was too busy in its representation of its constituents (which comprise a small minority of the total), the other three-quarters of the maintenance personnel had to just sit and cool their heels waiting for the IAM?

The TWU leadership has failed its members time and time again. This time the TWU leadership failed its members by not filing independently with the NMB in January, 2014, as the predominant union. The APA did not form an "association" with the abortion called USAPA nor did the APFA form an "association" with the AFA, and both of those workgroups are already enjoying their new higher pay with their combined CBAs. The maintenance personnel, on the other hand, have to wait for the IAM to conclude its section 6 negotiations because the TWU lacks the balls to assert itself as the sole representative.

Industrial unions are usually short on results but never short on excuses.

 
Brilliant. US Airways management was busy negotiating with AA unions trying to get the merger approved and at the same time they ignored the IAM negotiations.
 
You now advocate that we ignore the members of the IAM (who would become TWU members under your scenario) the ability to get a standalone contract since they had to wait for us.

 

[john john]

When did you become a Board Member of an investigator for the NMB?
 
Read the documentation signed and submitted by the IAM and TWU.
 
There are plenty of associations in the union environment.
 
CWA/IBT is one on the property, neither union filed for an election when US and HP merged nor did they at AA, the association did, at AA that is, the IBT and CWA held an internal vote first.

Your CWA Local Presidents Recommend A Strong Alliance to Maintain Our Passenger Service Careers
September 19, 2005
CWA US Airways Local Presidents

An alliance between CWA at US Airways, and Teamsters at America West, is best for the job security, standard of living and working conditions of passenger service employees at both airlines.
The lack of an alliance would be dangerous for agents at both airlines...
With the airline industry in chaos, and employees suffering cuts at every airline, agents at US Airways and America West cannot afford an antagonistic conflict against each other that would risk our salaries, our protections and our benefits.
We have worked out an alliance which will preserve the US Airways agents' CWA contract, their CWA locals and their access to information and participation in their union.
The alliance (called Association of Airline Passenger Service Employees IBT + CWA) will allow us to remain CWA members while the America West employees remain Teamster members. US Airways agents will remain protected by the terms and conditions of their CWA contract.
In the future, the goal is to bring the AWA salaries and conditions up to the CWA contract level, and to improve aspects of the CWA contract (for example: activate our "snap backs" sooner for holidays, vacation, sickdays, premiums, etc.). We eventually want a single, improved contract protecting the entire passenger service group
When that future, single, contract is achieved, the Teamster agents in eastern stations would be CWA-represented. The CWA agents in western stations would be Teamster-represented. The Alliance will allow us to work in a concerted effort to resolve major contract issues that would affect all members, regardless of location. But that is in the future. For now US Airways agents, East and West, remain protected by their CWA contract.
Those are big goals and we can accomplish them by working together for a united passenger service group.
For the good of our careers, for the good of our new airline, it makes sense to form an alliance between the two work groups that maintains their current representation and contract (US Airways/CWA) and status quo conditions (AWA/Teamsters).
For that reason we recommend and request that you approve this Alliance when you receive your ballot and Alliance proposal in the mail.
Thank You,
CWA US Airways Local Presidents




http://web.archive.org/web/20111207190440/http://files.cwa-union.org/CwaNet/NMBCertification4-20-06.pdf
The National Mediation Board has made their determination official; the Airline Customer Service Employee Association, IBT-CWA (Association), is now the certified representative of the entire craft or class of passenger Service Employees at US Airways. No organization or individual filed to intervene within 14 days of the Board's April 4. 2006 determination.
US Airways agreed to recognize the CWA/IBT Association as the legal representative of the agents and agreed not to intervene as a result of the Interim Transition agreement they signed with the Association. NMB Certification
US Airways CWA’ers have voted overwhelmingly for the proposed alliance…
October 13, 2005
CWA Local Officers and Staff
After much discussion and debate, and following the recommendations of the CWA Local President’s, the US Airways passenger service employees have voted by a margin of 84% YES to 16% NO in favor of the proposed passenger service alliance to jointly represent the US Airways and America West agents.
The CWA Local Officers and Staff want to thank all who voted and participated in the discussions prior to this vote. 
We also want to assure all those who took the time to write suggestions and messages on their ballots that we will compile those messages and make them available to all local officers and staff.
The ballots were picked up from the US Post office in DC today and counted by the local presidents. The local presidents and staff will continue meeting today to discuss strategy going forward. We’ll keep you posted on these discussions and on any meetings with management (none scheduled this week - probably next week).

 

[Real tired]

 
Exactly.
 
The whole sham is another attempt to prevent an NMB ballot to be in the hands of the membership. The TWU has used fear for so long, that they are scared of their own shadow. They know that given the chance, the membership would boot their asses to the curb, so they do all they can to prevent that chance from ever happening.
 
Someday, we the membership will wake up to the fact, that an organization that remains on the property only by use of less than honest tactics will never represent us properly. This has to be the most dysfunctional representation story ever to be part of organized labor history. Yet it is the blind following idiots that have let the TWU fear machine become their own demise. There is so much fear, that many would rather take the failure they know, than to step up and make change. One reason is they all stand around complaining and blaming the union. If they were to make a change, then they themselves would have to become accountable for our outcome. Much easier to go down the tubes with someone to blame. They have been dumbed down so bad they don't even trust themselves to belong to a properly functioning union.
 
And they call us humans, the intelligent species....pffft

My Heavens.  You hit the nail on the head.  Are you sure you don't work here at US?

 

[Buck]

This may have already been discussed, but what does Delta pay there mechanics ?   If we are to receive Delta +7% then how is that defined? 

 

[swamt]

Buck, It has been discussed but I do not know the numbers exactly.  I think the Delta plus 7% will put the AA mechanics at $41-$42 and some change, but I am not positive.  Could anyone elaborate?

 

[Vortilon]

Buck, It has been discussed but I do not know the numbers exactly.  I think the Delta plus 7% will put the AA mechanics at $41-$42 and some change, but I am not positive.  Could anyone elaborate?

Yes, we did cover this a few months back; however, with Delta's AMTs set to receive another 4% raise on April 1rst - bringing Delta's AMTs to roughly $41.00ph - figure 7% on top of that.
 
Now figure in the TWUs & AAs fuzzy math, and survey results.  Anyway, I wouldn't get my expectations too high.  All one has to do is read between the lines on Isom's and Wroble's not so cryptic responses regarding questions that pin them down on AMT pay, and what exactly they mean, when they say AA AMTs will get Delta plus 7% - at the last 3 town hall meetings.   They made the comment about Delta's scope vs AAs, and whatever your union negotiates for you.  Comments like that, don't give me the warm fuzzies on what to expect.

 

[Bob Owens]

Buck, It has been discussed but I do not know the numbers exactly.  I think the Delta plus 7% will put the AA mechanics at $41-$42 and some change, but I am not positive.  Could anyone elaborate?

Think of it this way, Delta plus 7 plus 4 would still leave us 5% below Delta. (16% profit sharing) 

 

[700UW]

Bob you do realize when the next downturn hits there wont be profits?
 
You do realize in 2013 the pilots at DL negotiated a 33% reduction in profit sharing in exchange for a 20% raise from July 1, 2012 till the end of 2014?
 
You do realize once the pilots at DL negotiated this DL cut every single non-union employee's profit sharing by 33%?
 
You do realize the only reason they got 16.5% payout in profit sharing for last year was that DL topped the one billion dollar mark in profits?
 
You do realize that DALPA is proposing to eliminate profit sharing for the pilots in lieu of a 35% raise?
 
Can you get a mortgage or loan based on profit sharing?

The answer is no, go ask your bank.