TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[700UW]

Because the IAM was in Section 6 negotiations for three different CBAs.

 

[FWAAA]

yes, it will be a done deal when the nmb makes its decision.  it took the pilots 8 months, and the flight attendants 6 or 7. but the question is: why didn't our union/unions/association file sooner?!?!?!?

I previously posted that it appears that the IAM-TWU "association" leadership must have had their thumbs up their asses for nine months, given the lengthy delay before it even filed its single carrier petition.

APA filed its petition on January 14, 2014, just a month after the merger closed on Dec 9, 2013. On August 8, 2014, the NMB ruled in APA's favor.

Meanwhile, the association didn't even bother to file with the NMB until August 6, 2014, just two days before APA received its determination.

The IAM-TWU association has been good for the high-paid union leadership, but not so good for the workers. Worthless Bastards.

 

[700UW]

Once again the Association didnt file as PMUS had three open CBAs in Section 6 negotiations for the IAM.

 

 

[Buck]

Aren't you the one saying its a done deal...

Actually I am the one who thinks it is a done deal, based on some obscure language within one of many parts of the TWU or IAM or even the AFL-CIO constitutions. You have to remember that I am in Tulsa, therefore the majority of the TWU Local 514 membership is complacent. The membership at TWU Local 514 could not even stop a New Union Hall being built after it was voted down twice. That should have been easy. NO, it will not be TWU Local 514 membership that stops anything the leadership, in their belief of it being in the best interest of the membership from happening.

 

[Overspeed]

Buck,
I know! I should be there. But having Bob and I in the same room can't happen. It's like matter and anti matter can't occupy the same space.

 

[Buck]

Buck,
I know! I should be there. But having Bob and I in the same room can't happen. It's like matter and anti matter can't occupy the same space.

It seems to me that over the years that many here have attempted to change to bring the mechanics on par with their peers at the other airlines and the TWU at AA has been satisfied with the status quo. Correct me if I wrong but it also ssems that you have been on that side that is for the status quo and have been satisfied with being at the bottom of compensation?

 

[Hackman]

Buck,
I know! I should be there. But having Bob and I in the same room can't happen. It's like matter and anti matter can't occupy the same space.

Really should run for office then OS, elections are coming up. The TWu always likes a good yes man in office to get those back door deals done like Phat Don did. Who knows, you might get a lunch box full of unmarked hundreds after completing another record setting TWu sellout for the AMTs'

This is who the TWu is good at representing, talking tough and protesting for the Rail, the Rampers, and sometimes for Las Vegas card dealers, all in the Industrial Union Machine AFl-CIo.

The Aircraft Maintenance Technician??? Not So Much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-xExkZtN7c

 

[Hackman]

Because the IAM was in Section 6 negotiations for three different CBAs.

We don't really care who the IAm was selling out at your former employer.

How much is the IAm paying you to live here on this board ?

Is a low level Misinformation Officer your only position at the Idiots and Morons club?

 

[700UW]

I suggest you call the EAP, you certainly need it.
 
And not getting paid by anyone.
 
Keep up that lie, lying and calling people names seems to be your forte.
 
A question was asked and I answered it.

 

[Overspeed]

Buck,
Never argued to be average. The 2010 TA would have gotten us to where UA/CO is now in 2010. That contract would have carried us in to BK much higher than where we ended up coming out BK. Hell, Bob was crying that we should at least get what UA/CO was getting at the time of the filing in 2012. Funny that the vote no coalition was crying about wanting something we already had in 2010 but they recommended voting down. Bob argues that we should have pushed for release immediately after voting down the TA. Since AA was already contemplating BK at that time do we really think they wouldn't have pulled the trigger in 2010 instead of 2012 if, and I mean IF, the NMB would have released us. The NMB wasn't going to release us, they haven't at UA even now when they are making money.

 

[FWAAA]

Once again the Association didnt file as PMUS had three open CBAs in Section 6 negotiations for the IAM.

Three-fourths of the "maintenance personnel" of the new combined AA work for pmAA and one-fourth are employed by pmUS. So because the IAM was too busy in its representation of its constituents (which comprise a small minority of the total), the other three-quarters of the maintenance personnel had to just sit and cool their heels waiting for the IAM?

The TWU leadership has failed its members time and time again. This time the TWU leadership failed its members by not filing independently with the NMB in January, 2014, as the predominant union. The APA did not form an "association" with the abortion called USAPA nor did the APFA form an "association" with the AFA, and both of those workgroups are already enjoying their new higher pay with their combined CBAs. The maintenance personnel, on the other hand, have to wait for the IAM to conclude its section 6 negotiations because the TWU lacks the balls to assert itself as the sole representative.

Industrial unions are usually short on results but never short on excuses.

 

[700UW]

Its not an excuse, AA just got a new CBA coming out of Chapter 11 PMUS have been under the transition agreement of 2008 and have been in Section 6 for around three years.
 
So let them sit at the bottom and negotiate a JCBA?

The lesson was learned at UA not do to that.

 

[Buck]

Buck,
Never argued to be average. The 2010 TA would have gotten us to where UA/CO is now in 2010. That contract would have carried us in to BK much higher than where we ended up coming out BK. Hell, Bob was crying that we should at least get what UA/CO was getting at the time of the filing in 2012. Funny that the vote no coalition was crying about wanting something we already had in 2010 but they recommended voting down. Bob argues that we should have pushed for release immediately after voting down the TA. Since AA was already contemplating BK at that time do we really think they wouldn't have pulled the trigger in 2010 instead of 2012 if, and I mean IF, the NMB would have released us. The NMB wasn't going to release us, they haven't at UA even now when they are making money.

Ok, however I was not just referring to your position, I was also referring to the TWU as our Union. For my 30+ years we as Mechanics have been left hold last place in general. Yes there were some times when we maybe led?for a short time but we have never been known as an Industry Leading contract holder.  As FWAAA is stating the TWU is sitting back and being reactive and now their proactive position is to go to Negotiations School? How can they afford that? (  14% of our shares ) Why have we never engage real labor lawyers to negotiate on our behalf?

 

[swamt]

We are already aware that the company is willing to offer Delta +7% in pay. What we are witnessing here is another TWU smoke screen to keep you from adding up how much money you are losing every payday because they chose to create and advocate this stupid association crap instead of following standard NMB procedures.

Yes. A pay freeze for how long now? Good point...

 

[swamt]

 
So this is a rubber stamp, in your mind, that has so far taken over 7 months to decide. Does that sound right to you?

Don't know, you tell us NYer.  Why are 2 of the 3 groups involved moving forward as if this alliance BS is a done deal?  Answer the question.