TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[700UW]

TWU International President along with Staff, AA and US Air Presidents Come Together
 
TWU has just concluded an intensive six day contract negotiation and training conference in Baltimore, MD. International Staff and TWU Local Presidents representing members at American Airlines and US Airways honed their skill sets and strategized on more effective ways to approach negotiations at the new American Airlines.
 
Our first course of action is to establish subcommittees, ensuring all crafts and classes have representation at the bargaining table. This step will be finalized by Friday, March 20, 2015. The subcommittees will research and prepare the contract proposals TWU will advance when we meet with the IAM to finalize the TWU/IAM Association contract demands.
 
We are committed to negotiate an agreement that recognizes the sacrifices you and your families have made and will keep you informed every step of the way.

Garry Drummond
Int'l Vice President, ATD Director
Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO
 

 

[bob@las-AA]

Bob you do realize when the next downturn hits there wont be profits?
 
You do realize in 2013 the pilots at DL negotiated a 33% reduction in profit sharing in exchange for a 20% raise from July 1, 2012 till the end of 2014?
 
You do realize once the pilots at DL negotiated this DL cut every single non-union employee's profit sharing by 33%?
 
You do realize the only reason they got 16.5% payout in profit sharing for last year was that DL topped the one billion dollar mark in profits?
 
You do realize that DALPA is proposing to eliminate profit sharing for the pilots in lieu of a 35% raise?
 
Can you get a mortgage or loan based on profit sharing?
The answer is no, go ask your bank.

Thank you 700! I don't agree with a lot of what you post, but this is what I have been thinking of all a long! 
+20 if I could.
Increase base pay.
Increase 401 contribution.
Increase or save scope.
I fear with DFW having the largest amount of FSC, any vote would swing towards money, and not for a balance of $ and scope. 

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

These Bozos have not negotiated a good contract in 20 years so a week of school and they are ready to go. What a bunch of horse dung! Let me school you Lombardo the company is going to tell you what they are going to give you. If you don't like it the arbitrator will tell you take it or you will get even less. You have no clue you and your 6 figure cronies have no clue. If you want to do right by the members resign and take the twu with you.
20 years of concessions and now your ready LMAO

 

[DallasConehead]

Hopefully, Bob's not going to lock down on profit sharing. He should focus on real gains like pay, benefits- i.e. OT rate, holidays and rate, vacation accural, sick accural, medical, 401match.. and get us the 4% retro everyone else got. And... industry standard on scope..

My fear is.. TWU will give up pay and beni's for jobs.. And 591 guys will lock down on things not as important like profit sharing.. I would rather have the pay and beni's.

 

[cltrat]

as would I Dallas scope ,pay ,benis

 

[1AA]

Bob you do realize when the next downturn hits there wont be profits?
 
You do realize in 2013 the pilots at DL negotiated a 33% reduction in profit sharing in exchange for a 20% raise from July 1, 2012 till the end of 2014?
 
You do realize once the pilots at DL negotiated this DL cut every single non-union employee's profit sharing by 33%?
 
You do realize the only reason they got 16.5% payout in profit sharing for last year was that DL topped the one billion dollar mark in profits?
 
You do realize that DALPA is proposing to eliminate profit sharing for the pilots in lieu of a 35% raise?
 
Can you get a mortgage or loan based on profit sharing?

The answer is no, go ask your bank.

You do realize we don't care for your opinion since it does not concern you at either airline or union.

 

[700UW]

You do realize I dont give a crap what you or anyone else thinks?

 

[Buck]

Think of it this way, Delta plus 7 plus 4 would still leave us 5% below Delta. (16% profit sharing) 

When you do your calculations, are we to assume that this on the base rate? 

 

[Buck]

Hopefully, Bob's not going to lock down on profit sharing. He should focus on real gains like pay, benefits- i.e. OT rate, holidays and rate, vacation accural, sick accural, medical, 401match.. and get us the 4% retro everyone else got. And... industry standard on scope..

My fear is.. TWU will give up pay and beni's for jobs.. And 591 guys will lock down on things not as important like profit sharing.. I would rather have the pay and beni's.

Do not "fear" what has become the norm

 

[Overspeed]

700UW,
Didn't the IAM try to set up a joint TWU and IAM session months ago and the TWU didn't attend? The one just held was TWU only? Doesn't sound like this marriage is going to work if one (TWU) wants to run it like they want to, and the other (IAM) wants to move jointly.

 

[Rogallo]

Yep, the TWU f'ed up big time!

 

[topDawg]

Bob you do realize when the next downturn hits there wont be profits?
 
You do realize in 2013 the pilots at DL negotiated a 33% reduction in profit sharing in exchange for a 20% raise from July 1, 2012 till the end of 2014?
 
You do realize once the pilots at DL negotiated this DL cut every single non-union employee's profit sharing by 33%?
 
You do realize the only reason they got 16.5% payout in profit sharing for last year was that DL topped the one billion dollar mark in profits?
 
You do realize that DALPA is proposing to eliminate profit sharing for the pilots in lieu of a 35% raise?
 
Can you get a mortgage or loan based on profit sharing?
The answer is no, go ask your bank.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet. 
 
Contract talks haven't even started so it would be pretty hard for DALPA to be talking about it. Also Anderson has made it clear profit sharing isn't going anywhere (union or non-union) because it means they don't have to come running for money as fast if things get bad. 
 
its not going anywhere as much as some of the key board warrior pilots wish it was, it isn't. (unless a big management change comes) 

 

[topDawg]

 

TWU International President along with Staff, AA and US Air Presidents Come Together
 
TWU has just concluded an intensive six day contract negotiation and training conference in Baltimore, MD. International Staff and TWU Local Presidents representing members at American Airlines and US Airways honed their skill sets and strategized on more effective ways to approach negotiations at the new American Airlines.
 
Our first course of action is to establish subcommittees, ensuring all crafts and classes have representation at the bargaining table. This step will be finalized by Friday, March 20, 2015. The subcommittees will research and prepare the contract proposals TWU will advance when we meet with the IAM to finalize the TWU/IAM Association contract demands.
 
We are committed to negotiate an agreement that recognizes the sacrifices you and your families have made and will keep you informed every step of the way.

Garry Drummond
Int'l Vice President, ATD Director
Transport Workers Union of America, AFL-CIO
 

 

is this serious? 
 
Question who does the TWU use as negotiators? Hopefully someone with more than a 6 day TWU crash course on nego101.....?

 

[Buck]

is this serious? 
 
Question who does the TWU use as negotiators? Hopefully someone with more than a 6 day TWU crash course on nego101.....?

In the past couple of requirements for the Tulsa group were to own overalls and know what John Deere means....with a touch of Camo..

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob you do realize when the next downturn hits there wont be profits?
 
You do realize in 2013 the pilots at DL negotiated a 33% reduction in profit sharing in exchange for a 20% raise from July 1, 2012 till the end of 2014?
 
You do realize once the pilots at DL negotiated this DL cut every single non-union employee's profit sharing by 33%?
 
You do realize the only reason they got 16.5% payout in profit sharing for last year was that DL topped the one billion dollar mark in profits?
 
You do realize that DALPA is proposing to eliminate profit sharing for the pilots in lieu of a 35% raise?
 
Can you get a mortgage or loan based on profit sharing?
The answer is no, go ask your bank.

I realize that since the Unions did nothing to challenge the AFA/NWA ruling that our contracts are only good as long as the Carrier chooses to not file, or threaten to file C-11. That there is no requirement that an Airline be in financial distress in order to get C-11 relief from labor deals they do not like. First NWA filed with $1Billion in cash, that raised eyebrows on Wall Street, then AA filed with $5billion and not once did I hear them claim that if they didn't get relief they faced liquidation, they only claimed that they needed relief to be "Competitive", in fact they claimed that with the relief they were seeking they would be more profitable than any carrier ever was. 
 
So if we were at the top of the industry would I agree to a reduced Profit sharing for a 35% raise over two years? Yes, but your IAM agreed to no profit sharing for a bottom of the industry wage rate. 
 
 
So now we know your new mission, to go out there and sell Delta plus 7 plus 4. What our now bottom of the industry Flight attendants got. What do you care, you said you are retired, you dont have to live under it anyway and are probably looking to make sure your crappy IAMNPF gets thousands of new members. 
 
You cant qualify for a mortgage on an IAM negotiated wage rate either. Go ask your members in NY or LAX or the banks.