TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[1AA]

You left out that they had a vote asking if their members were OK with it. They gained consent, the TWU and IAM act like they dont need our consent, like they own us, not that they work for us.

Be careful Bob, your treading on thin ice here, you don't want to be called an elitist by you know who.

 

[700UW]

You left out that they had a vote asking if their members were OK with it. They gained consent, the TWU and IAM act like they dont need our consent, like they own us, not that they work for us.

I did no such thing, reread my post.
 
 

700UW, on 07 Mar 2015 - 3:43 PM, said:
 
When did you become a Board Member of an investigator for the NMB?
 
Read the documentation signed and submitted by the IAM and TWU.
 
There are plenty of associations in the union environment.
 
CWA/IBT is one on the property, neither union filed for an election when US and HP merged nor did they at AA, the association did, at AA that is, the IBT and CWA held an internal vote first.
 
 

 
Can you see it now?

 

[NYer]

There are two incumbent unions here, TWU and IAM, however, according to NMB rules, only one should qualify for the ballot .

 
Not accurate.

 

[Buck]

I still take the position that the membership may have already allowed the TWU/IAM to act in their behalf or to override any negative vote against this Association, through the existing language of the union constitutions.

 

[swamt]

There are two incumbent unions here, TWU and IAM, however, according to NMB rules, only one should qualify for the ballot .

Wrong. There could very well be 3 incumbent unions...

 

[Buck]

Unions battle over workers at US Airways

Posted

Feb 9, 2006Karen Ferrick-Roman, Times Staff

 ​

Continued union fighting could delay the decision on which union will represent 14,400 mechanics, baggage handlers and stockroom clerks at the new US Airways. 
 
The fight had been in the legal hands of the National Mediation Board since the September merger of America West and US Airways until Jan. 30. But the battle turned physical in Philadelphia on Wednesday - and could further delay melding worker seniority lists. 
 
On Jan. 30, the National Mediation Board declared the airline a single carrier, putting the International Association of Machinists, which represents the old US Airways workers, in the driver's seat. The IAM represents more than 11,000 of the 14,427 workers, the mediation board decision said.
 
But one or both of the unions representing America West workers could file a challenge by Monday - if they show that 35 percent of all workers are interested in their representation.
 
And the Transport Workers Union, representing America West baggage handlers, could ask for an extension, after a physical fight disrupted an organizing meeting in Philadelphia on Wednesday.
 
The TWU had met in several cities, trying to persuade IAM workers to switch allegiance. At a TWU meeting in Philadelphia on Wednesday, about 25 people said to be IAM members mobbed the meeting, said Frank Protti, one of four TWU organizers there. Two TWU organizers ended up in the hospital emergency room, he said.
 
 
 
Before Wednesday's scuffle, the TWU had not reached the needed 35 percent, said Pat Rezler, president of TWU Local 580, but the disruption could result in the TWU asking to extend the deadline.
 
The Teamsters union, which represents America West mechanics and stock clerks, also is working for a switch. The Teamsters will organize at the Holiday Inn-Airport, Moon Township, at 7:30 a.m., 12:30 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. today. Teamsters officers could not be reached for comment.
 
A challenge would prompt an election - and the risk of no union at all, said Joe Tiberi, IAM spokesman.
 
More than 50 percent of the work group, including those who are laid off, must vote in an election or the group would lose union representation and union contracts, Tiberi said. US Airways could single-handedly decide pay, benefits and pensions. No union could be voted in for two years.
 
"The company will be able to get what it couldn't take in bankruptcy court," Tiberi said.
 
While the unions battle, neither Tiberi nor Rezler said a bulked-up membership was the bottom line.
 
On the ramp, the IAM has 4,300 active workers and the TWU has 2,400, Rezler said. "From my side of it, it hasn't been, 'Oh, wow, we're going to get 4,300 employees.' … Basically, we're in there trying to save our people's jobs."
 
The IAM contract, Rezler said, allows work at airports with less than 69 flights a week to be outsourced. That could affect 15 to 22 of the 31 current America West cities. 
 
"There's more at stake than members," Tiberi agreed, talking of pensions and salaries. "It's the livelihood of these people."
 
Meanwhile, Carlo Bertolini, US Airways spokesman, said the airline is pleased with moving closer toward uniting its work force.
 
If no challenge is filed, the IAM contracts would survive, Tiberi said. "If that's the case, we can immediately resolve whatever transition issues are necessary to bring those workers under our contract."
 
http://www.timesonline.com/unions-battle-over-workers-at-us-airways/article_2782bbcf-a3b4-5dd2-bc4a-e3c6bff0adba.html?mode=jqm

 

[Bob Owens]

Unions battle over workers at US Airways

Posted
Feb 9, 2006
Karen Ferrick-Roman, Times Staff

 ​

Continued union fighting could delay the decision on which union will represent 14,400 mechanics, baggage handlers and stockroom clerks at the new US Airways. 
 
The fight had been in the legal hands of the National Mediation Board since the September merger of America West and US Airways until Jan. 30. But the battle turned physical in Philadelphia on Wednesday - and could further delay melding worker seniority lists. 
 
On Jan. 30, the National Mediation Board declared the airline a single carrier, putting the International Association of Machinists, which represents the old US Airways workers, in the driver's seat. The IAM represents more than 11,000 of the 14,427 workers, the mediation board decision said.
 
But one or both of the unions representing America West workers could file a challenge by Monday - if they show that 35 percent of all workers are interested in their representation.
 
And the Transport Workers Union, representing America West baggage handlers, could ask for an extension, after a physical fight disrupted an organizing meeting in Philadelphia on Wednesday.
 
The TWU had met in several cities, trying to persuade IAM workers to switch allegiance. At a TWU meeting in Philadelphia on Wednesday, about 25 people said to be IAM members mobbed the meeting, said Frank Protti, one of four TWU organizers there. Two TWU organizers ended up in the hospital emergency room, he said.
 
 
 
Before Wednesday's scuffle, the TWU had not reached the needed 35 percent, said Pat Rezler, president of TWU Local 580, but the disruption could result in the TWU asking to extend the deadline.
 
The Teamsters union, which represents America West mechanics and stock clerks, also is working for a switch. The Teamsters will organize at the Holiday Inn-Airport, Moon Township, at 7:30 a.m., 12:30 p.m. and 3:30 p.m. today. Teamsters officers could not be reached for comment.
 
A challenge would prompt an election - and the risk of no union at all, said Joe Tiberi, IAM spokesman.
 
More than 50 percent of the work group, including those who are laid off, must vote in an election or the group would lose union representation and union contracts, Tiberi said. US Airways could single-handedly decide pay, benefits and pensions. No union could be voted in for two years.
 
"The company will be able to get what it couldn't take in bankruptcy court," Tiberi said.
 
While the unions battle, neither Tiberi nor Rezler said a bulked-up membership was the bottom line.
 
On the ramp, the IAM has 4,300 active workers and the TWU has 2,400, Rezler said. "From my side of it, it hasn't been, 'Oh, wow, we're going to get 4,300 employees.' … Basically, we're in there trying to save our people's jobs."
 
The IAM contract, Rezler said, allows work at airports with less than 69 flights a week to be outsourced. That could affect 15 to 22 of the 31 current America West cities. 
 
"There's more at stake than members," Tiberi agreed, talking of pensions and salaries. "It's the livelihood of these people."
 
Meanwhile, Carlo Bertolini, US Airways spokesman, said the airline is pleased with moving closer toward uniting its work force.
 
If no challenge is filed, the IAM contracts would survive, Tiberi said. "If that's the case, we can immediately resolve whatever transition issues are necessary to bring those workers under our contract."
 
http://www.timesonline.com/unions-battle-over-workers-at-us-airways/article_2782bbcf-a3b4-5dd2-bc4a-e3c6bff0adba.html?mode=jqm

 

Maybe 700 plans on sending up a few thugs from PHL to show me what the "consequences" will be. 

 

[Overspeed]

I remember being told by TWU reps in DFW that there would be a vote on the Association and the ballot would say Yes for the Assoc, No for the Assoc, and No Union. If the position changed on that it would be opposite of what we were told a year ago.

 

[Bob Owens]

I remember being told by TWU reps in DFW that there would be a vote on the Association and the ballot would say Yes for the Assoc, No for the Assoc, and No Union. If the position changed on that it would be opposite of what we were told a year ago.

Well if the NMB is running the vote then they will decide whats on it. So far they haven't said. Everyone is just guessing. 

 

[700UW]

Maybe 700 plans on sending up a few thugs from PHL to show me what the "consequences" will be. 

Those were Fleet Service, not M&R.

Why dont you come out of the closet and resign your ST job as you want AMFA, how does Thomas Paine feel about that?

 

[Bob Owens]

Those were Fleet Service, not M&R.
 

Who's the elitist now? 

 

[2ndGENAMT]

International Survey coming!
Organized labor has been representing members in this country for decades and they have to ask what they should bargain for.
I believe these are for justifying what they don't get for the members!

http://twu514.org/blog/2015/03/09/twu-international-to-survey-the-membership/?upm_export=pdf

 

[1AA]

I remember being told by TWU reps in DFW that there would be a vote on the Association and the ballot would say Yes for the Assoc, No for the Assoc, and No Union. If the position changed on that it would be opposite of what we were told a year ago.

I can live with those choices. If a choice No Association is a choice and prevails then it will be status quo. Then we are down to deciding which union stays and which union goes. I believe the nmb dictates that process.

 

[swamt]

International Survey coming!
Organized labor has been representing members in this country for decades and they have to ask what they should bargain for.
I believe these are for justifying what they don't get for the members!

http://twu514.org/blog/2015/03/09/twu-international-to-survey-the-membership/?upm_export=pdf

LOL!  Is this their fix for all the hatred towards this alliance?  Amazing.  They will never share the results to any of the membership so yea, they will blame you guys for what they fail to get done in nego's by saying, "the membership didn't want that per the survey."  What is funny is the TWU is acting so confident that they will still be representing you guys in the long future and there hasn't even been an announcement from the NMB yet.  Hmmmm.  What do they already know.  Bob was correct when he stated the TWU was trying to push the alliance thru with no vote, and the TWU admitted to these closed door meetings with the NMB.  I predict chaos coming soon at AA...

 

[swamt]

I can live with those choices. If a choice No Association is a choice and prevails then it will be status quo. Then we are down to deciding which union stays and which union goes. I believe the nmb dictates that process.

If there is a vote, I too hope the options are as os stated. But it will be whatever the union wants to put on the ballot as this type of internal vote is done and controlled by the unions, therefore the options will be by the choice of the unions.  Hence the scare tactic involving No or Non-union as a choice.  But I also agree with your point, things should stay status quo after voting no for the association and then the NMB would have to get involved and run an election for the 2 unions involved.  I can tell you this, you guys better hope it happens that way, otherwise you guys will be forced one way or another into this association BS...