TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[700UW]

Or maybe AMFA shouldnt have alienated itself, smart idea sending NW a letter say take more from the IAM members and not us.
 
Then ask for support from the IAM and never doing what the IAM asked of AMFA in order to gain the IAM's support.
 
And receipt and dispatch, air starts and decing didnt break AMFA, no IAM member fixed nor overhauled an airplane.
 
The pilots still flew and AMFA's sister union the PFAA for the FAs didnt even support them.
 
Lets see unions acting like unions, you mean like not raiding each other?

 

[WeAAsles]

 
No - there is already a drive to go back to AMFA
 
http://unitedforamfa.com/

I know I saw it. And I too bought more new underwear as well today. Instead of constantly changing out your underwear all the time why don't you try washing it? Jeez Louise.

So let's see. The IAM sucked so you went to AMFA. AMFA sucked so you went to the IBT. The IBT sucks so you want to go back to the other guy in the middle who sucked? Huh?

Keep spinning those wheels bro.

 

[WeAAsles]

Or maybe AMFA shouldnt have alienated itself, smart idea sending NW a letter say take more from the IAM members and not us.
 
Then ask for support from the IAM and never doing what the IAM asked of AMFA in order to gain the IAM's support.


Well that could put a crimp in me wanting to help my neighbor whose house is burning down when he put a pile of doggie do on my front porch.
 
 
And receipt and dispatch, air starts and decing didnt break AMFA, no IAM member fixed nor overhauled an airplane.
 
The pilots still flew and AMFA's sister union the PFAA for the FAs didnt even support them.
 
Lets see unions acting like unions, you mean like not raiding each other?

AMFA doesn't raid. It's all grass roots remember.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Or maybe AMFA shouldnt have alienated itself, smart idea sending NW a letter say take more from the IAM members and not us.
 
Then ask for support from the IAM and never doing what the IAM asked of AMFA in order to gain the IAM's support.
 
And receipt and dispatch, air starts and decing didnt break AMFA, no IAM member fixed nor overhauled an airplane.
 
The pilots still flew and AMFA's sister union the PFAA for the FAs didnt even support them.
 
Lets see unions acting like unions, you mean like not raiding each other?

 
I said unions - not just the IAM
 
You can sing your song on union politics all you want - THE IAM CROSSED THE LINE just like the rest.
 
The IAM performed struck work
 
You and all the other IAM apologists tout this supposed letter but for how terrible you make it out to be not a single one of you can produce it.
 
The long and the short of it is this - you can hate AMFA all you want, but all of labor was damaged by what was done, and more importantly not done at NWA.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I know I saw it. And I too bought more new underwear as well today. Instead of constantly changing out your underwear all the time why don't you try washing it? Jeez Louise.

 
Yeah, that's the problem, the stains on the ibt don't wash out - an inherent weakness in the union

 

[WeAAsles]

 
I said unions - not just the IAM
 
You can sing your song on union politics all you want - THE IAM CROSSED THE LINE just like the rest.
 
The IAM performed struck work
 
You and all the other IAM apologists tout this supposed letter but for how terrible you make it out to be not a single one of you can produce it.
 
The long and the short of it is this - you can hate AMFA all you want, but all of labor was damaged by what was done, and more importantly not done at NWA.

Wait a minute. You "basically" raid there house and take food from the fridge. Then you want to pee on the front door with that letter. And then you give them crap about not helping you?????

Sorry but you don't think they should have been told to take a flying leap? WOW!
 

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Yeah, that's the problem, the stains on the ibt don't wash out - an inherent weakness in the union

Sounds to me like your stains are coming from a leaky wee wee? Maybe you should get that problem fixed first?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Wait a minute. You "basically" raid there house and take food from the fridge. Then you want to pee on the front door with that letter. And then you give them crap about not helping you?????

Sorry but you don't think they should have been told to take a flying leap? WOW!
 

 
What raid? Its a grassroots effort remember?
 
And if you want to tout that letter, then by all means, post it, and lets discuss it.
 
Lastly, this is where you, I, and a great many other "supposed unionists" disagree - YOU DO NOT CROSS PICKET LINES! NO EXCEPTIONS - NO EXCLUSIONS - NO EXCUSES!
 
I cannot stand the teamsters, I am advocating for their removal from UAL. But if they put up a picket line I WILL NOT CROSS IT.
 
There is a vast difference between inter-labor politics and the labor movement, I can separate the two, while it seems you and a great many others cannot.

 

[toroshark]

 
The Members of the IAM have much more to lose than the pilots and the flight attendants did.
 
The Members of the IAM have to consider their multi-employer medical and their multi-employer pension which is currently tied to their membership of the IAM. The medical piece is a huge difference in what they pay and what we pay, not to mention the quality of their coverage. The pension, even if you don't like it, is a system they have accrued over many, many years and they probably wouldn't want to just start another type of plan from scratch. Just those two issues would make it difficult to just walk away.
 
For us to say they should have just walked away is not really taking into consideration the situation they find themselves in, and is really a selfish thing to ask.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So you have now resorted to calling anyone who disagrees with your agenda selfish. I don't find it any more selfish to want to stay away from the IAMPF than I find someone who wants to stay put in it. Your version of a legitimate vote for representation and our futures is akin to Matthew Hopkins the witchfinder general [ drown if your innocent, guilty you swim].
 
 

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Sounds to me like your stains are coming from a leaky wee wee? Maybe you should get that problem fixed first?

 
Well that's certainly one thing I can take away from your posts - you definitely know alot about stains and a leaky wee wee

 

[WeAAsles]

Who wants to make a bet here? I have 12 years left in my career. I'll bet before I retire that AMFA no longer exists. Hear me out. AMFA has 2 airlines left. The biggest one they have SWA they have been in negotiations for 2 years now. I've been reading the updates and things do not look promising at all that SWA management wants to give them a CBA. The reality is if they don't deliver a bigger Union will eventually replace them with a card drive, leaving nothing left but Alaska Airlines. Now I can't make a prediction about what's going to happen there but a lot of things can happen in 12 years?

I don't really believe that AMFA wants to be a part of UAL after they were chucked out and many of you have been saying that you're getting no assistance from AMFA National for help with AA either. Hell even some SWA mechanics have come on here hinting that they don't want you?

So my comment really isn't meant to be a hit but a prediction. I think by the end of my career AMFA will be defunct.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
What raid? Its a grassroots effort remember?
 
And if you want to tout that letter, then by all means, post it, and lets discuss it.
 
Lastly, this is where you, I, and a great many other "supposed unionists" disagree - YOU DO NOT CROSS PICKET LINES! NO EXCEPTIONS - NO EXCLUSIONS - NO EXCUSES!
 
I cannot stand the teamsters, I am advocating for their removal from UAL. But if they put up a picket line I WILL NOT CROSS IT.
 
There is a vast difference between inter-labor politics and the labor movement, I can separate the two, while it seems you and a great many others cannot.

I've NEVER seen the letter. Only heard about it. But if I saw it and your group was advocating to take more away from me for your benefit. I'd knock you and your strike sign right on your ass as I head to work, put air in those tires and change the oil if they asked me to. 

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I've NEVER seen the letter. Only heard about it. But if I saw it and your group was advocating to take more away from me for your benefit. I'd knock you and your strike sign right on your ass as I head to work, put air in those tires and change the oil if they asked me to. 

 
Wow, you would think that such an inflammatory piece of literature would have been posted in every union hall the free world over, and preached from the roof tops ..... when you find it make sure to post it. 

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Wow, you would think that such an inflammatory piece of literature would have been posted in every union hall the free world over, and preached from the roof tops ..... when you find it make sure to post it. 

IF it exists I'm sure someone somewhere has it? You did read me if I SAW it how I would react. 

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

IF it exists I'm sure someone somewhere has it? You did read me if I SAW it how I would react. 

 
Oh so you haven't already made up your mind?
 
Thanks for pointing that out.