TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[toroshark]

Never said it was Association, TWU and IAM on the ballot, that information is readily available. The two unions decided they wanted to move forward with the Association, so here we go.
 
If you want another choice then you have the ability to go out and get cards signed to place the TWU, the IAM, AMP or AMFA on the ballot. If enough people want it, they can get it.
 
If this isn't your preference then go to work and make a change. You've already wasted 6 months crying about what you don't want. Get out there and work for what you do want. It can be done, if you want it.

Spin,spin, and spin again. Twu already has the required 50%+1as required by the NMB. All the TWU intl. has to do is exercise that option. Local 591 already gave thousands of signatures on a petition. I'd call that pretty proactive.I guess that preserving whatever TWU position that you hold gives you the required arrogance to continue to spew the half truths out of your pie hole. You are either not very intelligent, 12 years old, or a self-serving sociopath.

 

[NYer]

I agree AMFA screwed up by allowing NWA to train replacements. 
So for those who assail AMFA for an Ill-advised strike, then history has proved that the Eastern Airlines was the most devastating strike for union members. Wasn't just mechanics who lost their livelihoods, it was all union members.
 
Continental was a little different. Lorenzo set out to destroy the unions there. And the rest of the industry unions did nothing.

 
If you talk to the Eastern guys their strike was about Lorenzo and his dismantling of their airline to prop up Continental. Many of them would rather shut the place down than let Lorenzo kill them by a thousand cuts.

 

[NYer]

 
Sorry, Wrong again.
 
The IAM lost mechanic jobs at -
 
EAL - CAL - TWA - NWA - UAL - Alaska - Comair - WN 
 
Total AMT members and higher percentage of peak

 
What's the number. You keep wanting us to take your "word" for it. Show us the numbers and where you got them.

 

[NYer]

Well I did not ask about collective bargaining, but to be more clear, though the already written and approved by the membership or their representatives, the TWU Constitution and any letters or Bylaws, is it possible that we as members have already approved this association?

 
I don't believe the Members have to approve the Association agreement itself. We will, however, need to vote for the Association in order to give them the powers of collective bargaining as required by the NMB.

 

[WeAAsles]

Exactly why I said further back in the thread that maybe most Union leaders payed attention to the history lesson provided by Eastern Airlines and weren't too interested in repeating it? Maybe AMFA at NWA wasn't paying attention to that lesson?
 
"And outside Eastern's headquarters in Miami yesterday, members of the machinists union continued to picket, jeering at nonstriking employees who were leaving with their belongings.
 
"We told you so," they shouted, waving signs that said, "Eastern Airlines: Rest in Peace" -- and "Rest in Pieces."

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/20/us/eastern-airlines-brought-down-by-a-strike-so-bitter-it-became-a-crusade.html

 

[NYer]

Spin,spin, and spin again. Twu already has the required 50%+1as required by the NMB. All the TWU intl. has to do is exercise that option. Local 591 already gave thousands of signatures on a petition. I'd call that pretty proactive.I guess that preserving whatever TWU position that you hold gives you the required arrogance to continue to spew the half truths out of your pie hole. You are either not very intelligent, 12 years old, or a self-serving sociopath.

 
If I am a 12 year old, I sure captured your adult attention. =/
 
The TWU International has a signed agreement with the IAM and petitioned the NMB as the Association. Trying to get away from that will bring lawsuits and further delay for negotiations, which I guess is just fine with some.

 

[CMH_GSE]

If I am a 12 year old, I sure captured your adult attention. =/
 
The TWU International has a signed agreement with the IAM and petitioned the NMB as the Association. Trying to get away from that will bring lawsuits and further delay for negotiations, which I guess is just fine with some.

Including the IAM, who should have backed away the same time the FA and pilots unions did.

 

[NYer]

Including the IAM, who should have backed away the same time the FA and pilots unions did.

 
The Members of the IAM have much more to lose than the pilots and the flight attendants did.
 
The Members of the IAM have to consider their multi-employer medical and their multi-employer pension which is currently tied to their membership of the IAM. The medical piece is a huge difference in what they pay and what we pay, not to mention the quality of their coverage. The pension, even if you don't like it, is a system they have accrued over many, many years and they probably wouldn't want to just start another type of plan from scratch. Just those two issues would make it difficult to just walk away.
 
For us to say they should have just walked away is not really taking into consideration the situation they find themselves in, and is really a selfish thing to ask.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

You can say what you want but it hasn't happened and some of you have been trying for many many years now.

 
Yes, and every time we failed at throwing the IAM out at UAL we heard the very same thing  .... right up til they were decertified

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

You're correct. AMFA deserves the same scrutiny as all the other Unions who have failed to win against all the same forces for the last 37 years.

The AMFA ideology is admirable. But it honestly from looking at it's history hasn't lived up to it's ideals. NWA management destroyed them because they had no power or finances in any way shape or form to fight back against what was being done to them. We can go back and forth on the who what's and why's but the ultimate reality doesn't change the stories end.

If every Mechanic in the Industry had been in AMFA when the strike occurred things probably would have ended up at least a little different? But.   

 
Yes, yes, I'm sure with all their "power or finances" the much larger unions would've advocated for the mechanics to vote 52% of their fellow mechanics out of a job.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
What's the number. You keep wanting us to take your "word" for it. Show us the numbers and where you got them.

 
You don't have to take my word for anything, the former IAM airlines speak for themselves - you're the only one here I see denying it

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Yes, and every time we failed at throwing the IAM out at UAL we heard the very same thing  .... right up til they were decertified

Ok then you voted in AMFA only to eventually vote them out for the IBT. Have you ever thought about restarting the ILGWU?

Or if it's easier the UFCWU?

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Yes, yes, I'm sure with all their "power or finances" the much larger unions would've advocated for the mechanics to vote 52% of their fellow mechanics out of a job.

I meant if you were all in one Union nationwide maybe there could have been sympathy strikes to assist the effort. You know or something like uh, I don't know an Association?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Ok then you voted in AMFA only to eventually vote them out for the IBT. Have you ever thought about restarting the ILGWU?

Or if it's easier the UFCWU?

 
No - there is already a drive to go back to AMFA
 
http://unitedforamfa.com/

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I meant if you were all in one Union nationwide maybe there could have been sympathy strikes to assist the effort. You know or something like uh, I don't know an Association?

 
Or maybe unions should start acting like unions and not cross picket lines - a novel concept I know