TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

WeAA,
Under AMFA's watch at AS, AS closed their OAK Heavy Maintenance Base, cutting 250 jobs and outsourcing the work.

OK I'm guessing that must have happened between 2005 and 2006? After that according to the data they went back up though big time? From 152 heads in 2006 to 699 heads in 2007? It looks like the numbers have been at least pretty stable ever since.

SWA has grown since 2002 so I also see improvements in numbers since that date. SWA never had heavy maintenance though right? But it does say that the shaded data for 2013 is questionable.

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2013%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/MX/Total%20In-House%20Maintenance%20Employee%20Equivalents.htm

 

 

[700UW]

2004 OAK 340 workers laid off.

 

[Rogallo]

I'm curious about something? I'm asking this as an honest question to you? I think you are with SWA and represented by AMFA? AMFA became the bargaining rep for SWA in 2002. Did AMFA secure any contracts for their mechanics between 2002 and 2008?
 

 
I'm also curious about something? I'm asking this as an honest question to you? I think you are a Fleet Service Clerk for AA represented by TWU? Why do you care so much if the mechanics want to change their union?

 

[WeAAsles]

 
I'm also curious about something? I'm asking this as an honest question to you? I think you are a Fleet Service Clerk for AA represented by TWU? Why do you care so much if the mechanics want to change their union?

Of course I realize that "some" do. Many of those people are on these pages. I honestly feel though Rogallo that too many of the posters here want to lie to get in that union of choice. I'm just not a fan of that way of doing business. And I like to cut through the BS.

I also have some very good friends who are represented by your class and craft, so I like to look out for my friends. 

If one day you do get those cards in and change your union, I'll absolutely wish you all the best.

Are you able to answer the question I asked of swamt?

 

[Rogallo]

Of course I realize that "some" do. Many of those people are on these pages. I honestly feel though Rogallo that too many of the posters here want to lie to get in that union of choice. I'm just not a fan of that way of doing business. And I like to cut through the BS.

I also have some very good friends who are represented by your class and craft, so I like to look out for my friends. 

If one day you do get those cards in and change your union, I'll absolutely wish you all the best.

Are you able to answer the question I asked of swamt?

 
That's nice that you like to look out for your friends in our class and craft. I'm sure you've asked them their opinion on this situation. Care to post honestly what they think?
 
I can't answer that question you posted to swamt.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
That's nice that you like to look out for your friends in our class and craft. I'm sure you've asked them their opinion on this situation. Care to post honestly what they think?
 
I can't answer that question you posted to swamt.

Ok since you asked. They don't like or trust AMFA. They feel that they haven't seen AMFA really do much for the maintenance profession in general and they were scared S'less by what happened over at NWA. And these are guys that have read everything they can get there hands on. They do like the transparency of negotiation updates though (Licensed mechanics BTW)

For those in different areas of your class and craft they just really don't trust the organization as far as they can throw it. They 100% believe that in the future they would be sold out and outsourced for line mechanics to get raises.  They think you guys are lieing to them to try and get cards signed and there's no way that they said they would sign on.  Funny thing is that it's been me that has defended what happened to AMFA at times on certain things and they don't give a rats hoot. (And yes some of them do read these pages)

If you're asking about the topic. Some are honestly leery about the association and are impatient about getting more news about it. They would like to hear that the two organizations are coming together and they would like them to start preparing together. But it is different people so they all have they're own perspective of things. The overall consensus though is that they want to get this show on the road.

You asked.

 

[MetalMover]

 
I guess it's a lot easier for you and I to take a chance since we are not in a Base and we are not the first in line for the ax in the event the "chance" doesn't work out as thought. Since they believe they are in direct line with the firing squad then they vote in the manner they believe they should. It's funny how those which won't be directly impacted by cuts are the most willing to take a "chance."
 
First you make the statement that we didn't get any raises, while they get cuts. Well, we received over 10% in wage hikes, with another 3% contractual raise in September and the ability to go up to industry average in the same month of September. Those raises were in the same CBA with the cuts, couldn't get one without the other.
 
How did it help TUL? They've kept their jobs for the last decade while other airlines have shipped those jobs away.
 
If you believe TUL is the issue, then soon the Line guys might get more members than the bases and the advantage turns to the Line. At that point you can ship those jobs away and get your raises.

What makes you think our pay increases were a direct result of outsourcing? And I do not nor any line mechanic i know want to outsource any work. We have all seen the quality when those aircraft return from the heavy checks or aircraft modifications. As for the advantage turning to the line, you won't have to worry about what happens in tulle..because what airlines have done in bk is shed much OH work...TUL has more to fear what the company will do to them rather than the line guys. We would have been more than happy with GEO pay which the TUL president said NO WAY...

 

[MetalMover]

MM, I beg to differ about your numbers.  I forget the year, but at one time the TWU at AA has over 18,000 members in the mechanic and related group. Which is closer to 60% of the membership using your current 7600 members not 40% (more like 58% to be exact).  The concessions and give backs since 1983 are correct. So for over the last 30 plus years the TWU has been agreeing to cut jobs for something else.  Some of these actions were not even voted on by the membership, they were just enforced by the international union.

The M&R numbers never hit 18000 and that's including the TWA people. The 12500 I mentioned (a rough estimate) was for Title 1 only. But the loss of jobs occurred under the TWU's watch BEFORE BK.

 

[MetalMover]

Ok since you asked. They don't like or trust AMFA. They feel that they haven't seen AMFA really do much for the maintenance profession in general and they were scared S'less by what happened over at NWA. And these are guys that have read everything they can get there hands on. They do like the transparency of negotiation updates though (Licensed mechanics BTW)

For those in different areas of your class and craft they just really don't trust the organization as far as they can throw it. They 100% believe that in the future they would be sold out and outsourced for line mechanics to get raises.  They think you guys are lieing to them to try and get cards signed and there's no way that they said they would sign on.  Funny thing is that it's been me that has defended what happened to AMFA at times on certain things and they don't give a rats hoot. (And yes some of them do read these pages)

If you're asking about the topic. Some are honestly leery about the association and are impatient about getting more news about it. They would like to hear that the two organizations are coming together and they would like them to start preparing together. But it is different people so they all have they're own perspective of things. The overall consensus though is that they want to get this show on the road.

You asked.

It's funny that they don't like or trust AMFA yet are all GAGA over an alliance with two loser unions who have been screwing their members to perserve union dues since the 80's. 
But you are right they are drinking the kool aid that AMFA would sell them out. Where did AMFA ever say they would do that? SWA never had the heavy OH....so what is the excuse for SWA keeping AMFA? Why don't the SWA mechanics vote the TWU and get some OH work brought in house?

 

[Rogallo]

Ok since you asked. They don't like or trust AMFA. They feel that they haven't seen AMFA really do much for the maintenance profession in general and they were scared S'less by what happened over at NWA. And these are guys that have read everything they can get there hands on. They do like the transparency of negotiation updates though (Licensed mechanics BTW)

For those in different areas of your class and craft they just really don't trust the organization as far as they can throw it. They 100% believe that in the future they would be sold out and outsourced for line mechanics to get raises.  They think you guys are lieing to them to try and get cards signed and there's no way that they said they would sign on.  Funny thing is that it's been me that has defended what happened to AMFA at times on certain things and they don't give a rats hoot. (And yes some of them do read these pages)

If you're asking about the topic. Some are honestly leery about the association and are impatient about getting more news about it. They would like to hear that the two organizations are coming together and they would like them to start preparing together. But it is different people so they all have they're own perspective of things. The overall consensus though is that they want to get this show on the road.

You asked.

 
Do your mechanic buddies work O/H or line?

 

[WeAAsles]

It's funny that they don't like or trust AMFA yet are all GAGA over an alliance with two loser unions who have been screwing their members to perserve union dues since the 80's. 
But you are right they are drinking the kool aid that AMFA would sell them out. Where did AMFA ever say they would do that? SWA never had the heavy OH....so what is the excuse for SWA keeping AMFA? Why don't the SWA mechanics vote the TWU and get some OH work brought in house?

Did I mention OH? You might have a few other people to consider there?

BTW going back to another item you touched on. After we acquired TWA didn't the company start getting rid of their planes. Didn't the company also dump the Fokers. Didn't they also start consolidating maintenance bases?

What were the fleet numbers from 2002 to 2013 and how many old junkers did they get rid of? Weren't we also getting a lot of shiny new 737's in those years?

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Do your mechanic buddies work O/H or line?

Line guys and other departments. No O/H guys actually.

 

[MetalMover]

Did I mention OH? You might have a few other people to consider there?

Your quote...Who are you referring to than if not OH mechanics? AMFA is a mechanics union...who's future are they worried about?
For those in different areas of your class and craft they just really don't trust the organization as far as they can throw it. They 100% believe that in the future they would be sold out and outsourced for line mechanics to get raises.

 

[WeAAsles]

Your quote...Who are you referring to than if not OH mechanics? AMFA is a mechanics union...who's future are they worried about?
For those in different areas of your class and craft they just really don't trust the organization as far as they can throw it. They 100% believe that in the future they would be sold out and outsourced for line mechanics to get raises.

Who else does the NMB say is a part of your class and craft? Didn't someone make up a petition to change something a few weeks back?

C'mon think about it.

 

[MetalMover]

Who else does the NMB say is a part of your class and craft? Didn't someone make up a petition to change something a few weeks back?

C'mon think about it.

 Ok so your buddies are NOT exactly mechanics...... Why don't you ask them who they blame NOW for outsourcing? AMFA is not on the premises. Are they happy just to have jobs? Where are they willing to draw the line in givebacks?