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1AA and WeAAsles,
The comps to other airlines are never straightforward. Part of SW lower headcount per aircraft was driven by the fact they were getting like 50 aircraft a year. New planes like cars have a heavy maintenance honeymoon for the first five to seven years. That equates to low outsourcing and low in house MX staff just because those planes are new. WN does outsource more and they always have since the time they started ops. DL and UA comps are better but keep in mind, do any of us know the maintenance program? While the FAA and OEM dictate the requirements, how they are flowed in to an approved 121 program varies greatly. Just look at what we know here at AA. LUS and LAA operate the NB Airbus fleet and the two programs are very different. LUS does Phase Cs on the line and it looks as though LAA is moving in that direction but key point is two airlines, same plane, and different programs. These differences drive different HC.
1AA,
I know we didn't get much of a raise after 2003 concessions through 2012 however we did get almost nine years of pension credit and that is worth quite a bit to those of us that wanted to keep the pension. Those other airlines that gave up HC also gave wages and their pensions as well. Unfortunately we also ended up in BK and lost the rest of what we had kept. Should we have stuck to our guns and refused concessions? It's all Monday Morning QB stuff now.
The comps to other airlines are never straightforward. Part of SW lower headcount per aircraft was driven by the fact they were getting like 50 aircraft a year. New planes like cars have a heavy maintenance honeymoon for the first five to seven years. That equates to low outsourcing and low in house MX staff just because those planes are new. WN does outsource more and they always have since the time they started ops. DL and UA comps are better but keep in mind, do any of us know the maintenance program? While the FAA and OEM dictate the requirements, how they are flowed in to an approved 121 program varies greatly. Just look at what we know here at AA. LUS and LAA operate the NB Airbus fleet and the two programs are very different. LUS does Phase Cs on the line and it looks as though LAA is moving in that direction but key point is two airlines, same plane, and different programs. These differences drive different HC.
1AA,
I know we didn't get much of a raise after 2003 concessions through 2012 however we did get almost nine years of pension credit and that is worth quite a bit to those of us that wanted to keep the pension. Those other airlines that gave up HC also gave wages and their pensions as well. Unfortunately we also ended up in BK and lost the rest of what we had kept. Should we have stuck to our guns and refused concessions? It's all Monday Morning QB stuff now.