TWU Headcount Changes

[Deleted member 14439]

IIRC the Taesl rif goes back to March 1991.

 

[Rogallo]

Ouch!

 

[bigjets]

Absolutely. Laid off employees should always get a crack at openings around the system.

Absolutely disagree, the transfers should go first by seniority, that way the more senior guys from JFK can go to Miami and the senior guys from AFW can go to DFW or DWH, that way you won't have junior guys at a preffered station while you will have senior guys being bumped to less desirable stations when TAESL eventually closes. I know being riffed sucks, but not being able to use your seniority to work where you want to is just unfair.

The only thing we have left is seniority.

 

[MetalMover]

Absolutely disagree, the transfers should go first by seniority, that way the more senior guys from JFK can go to Miami and the senior guys from AFW can go to DFW or DWH, that way you won't have junior guys at a preffered station while you will have senior guys being bumped to less desirable stations when TAESL eventually closes. I know being riffed sucks, but not being able to use your seniority to work where you want to is just unfair.

The only thing we have left is seniority.

I said a laid off employee should have a crack at an opening. I didn't say BEFORE a senior person on a transfer list. 

 

[iluvaa]

Hey relax the Tulsa rif guys aren't going anywhere. Most are machinist without lic. They will be getting a nice cush shop job. For a few dollar pay cut

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Hey relax the Tulsa rif guys aren't going anywhere. Most are machinist without lic. They will be getting a nice cush shop job. For a few dollar pay cut

Most are A&P licensed mechanics and many are going from the engine shops to the hangars.  Some will have to go to OSM positions and lose $5 an hour. That's quite a pay cut.  Another kick in the nuts for AMTs.

 

[AA767JET]

Any insight on when all the smoke finally clears and all the in house movement at Tule is done how many AMT's on the transfer list is Tule going to call ??

 

[bigjets]

I said a laid off employee should have a crack at an opening. I didn't say BEFORE a senior person on a transfer list.

Unfortunately they do RIFs before transfers.

 

[MetalMover]

Most are A&P licensed mechanics and many are going from the engine shops to the hangars.  Some will have to go to OSM positions and lose $5 an hour. That's quite a pay cut.  Another kick in the nuts for AMTs.

License pay cut is a drop in the bucket when compared to commuting for NY or other high cost of living area, sharing a rent and being away from family. 

 

[MetalMover]

Unfortunately they do RIFs before transfers.

That's the way it has been done. A person getting laid off has no choice. A person wanting to transfer does have a choice.

 

[bigjets]

Most are A&P licensed mechanics and many are going from the engine shops to the hangars.  Some will have to go to OSM positions and lose $5 an hour. That's quite a pay cut.  Another kick in the nuts for AMTs.

TULSA voted in the OSM position and pay rates so what's the complaint ?

There are plenty of openings in JFK and ORD if they want to be AMTs. That way the TULSA guys can experience the contract they voted in.

 

[bigjets]

That's the way it has been done. A person getting laid off has no choice. A person wanting to transfer does have a choice.

Just because that's the way it's been done doesn't make it right. I just think open spots should go by seniority,

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Go ahead and trivialize the impact on these guys, many of who voted no for the contract.  26% of us in Tulsa voted no.  I would also like to point out that if 100% in JFK, LGA, LAX, ORD or any other line station had voted no the TA would not have passed. So there were yes voters at the line stations also.   It passed by a total of 48 votes system wide.  I voted no and tried to get others to also.  I held a home-made vote no sign on one side of the street while Stock Clerks and Title 2 held vote yes signs printed at the Local 514 sign shop.  Local 514 had my picture on a wanted poster in the union hall for a while.  Don't put us all in one basket.  There are a couple of elitists on this board that think line mechanics are God's gift to us all.  Do you want me to consider all line mechanics to be this way?  Isn't it bad enough that the TWU used crap posted by these morons to convince AMTs not to sign AMFA cards?  Keep up the good work of helping the TWU by continuing the chasm between Line and Overhaul.  I resent being labeled a yes voting, no backbone Tulsa guy.  I'm sure any of you would resent being labeled a holier than thou, elitist, pencil whipping, Pirep deferring, hypocrite.  Losing any $ is bad and if you condone or trivialize it for anyone else you are no better than the TWU stooges who constantly defend the TWU's actions.  I voted no too but I don't feel anything but sympathy for anyone who is going to lose money.  What they do to them today they will try to do to the rest of us tomorrow.  Like it or not we no voters were out voted by the slimmest of margins.  I choose to try to educate the yes voters rather than belittle them.  Some day we may all need eachother to send the company a message.  Your enemy is my enemy too and mine should be yours.  Hating on eachother only serves the company and the alliance pushers.  Just a few thoughts from an OldGuy who has seen Karma bite him in the butt a time or two.  What goes around comes around sooner or later.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Any insight on when all the smoke finally clears and all the in house movement at Tule is done how many AMT's on the transfer list is Tule going to call ??

Right now they are saying they'll have to hire 5 mechanics off the street.  

 

[AA767JET]

So in order to hire off the street AA would have to exhaust the transfer list correct ???