TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[MetalMover]

Because the majority of people are greedy and don't care about anyone but themselves. The majority voted no to it so what are they then?

The OH majority is coming to an end. 

 

[WeAAsles]

The OH majority is coming to an end. 

So are you saying that we just might start seeing GEO pay get into someone's TA?

 

[MetalMover]

So are you saying that we just might start seeing GEO pay get into someone's TA?

Hopefully, but who knows. Like I said MIA was also on the NO-GEO bandwagon because they weren't getting what costlier areas were.

 

[WeAAsles]

Hopefully, but who knows. Like I said MIA was also on the NO-GEO bandwagon because they weren't getting what costlier areas were.

We're not as expensive to live here as NYC, BOS, ORD, and LAX but we certainly are more expensive to live in than TUL and DFW. MIA could use a little relief though. Were they getting anything in the proposal?

 

[MetalMover]

We're not as expensive to live here as NYC, BOS, ORD, and LAX but we certainly are more expensive to live in than TUL and DFW. MIA could use a little relief though. Were they getting anything in the proposal?

I do understand MIA is no longer that "cheap" a place to live, let alone South Florida in general. And if that proposal were to come up again, MIA would be getting more than last proposed.
All line stations were getting something. Depending where determined how much.
Maybe there is hope once we know WHO will be representing us and negotiations begin.

 

[scorpion 2]

It looks to me like you have been directing your Q and A's towards me so I'm going to respond for myself and what "I" think.

First I'll start with the fact that my group is very different than yours. Our group doesn't require any level of education past High School. Sure we have people with all sorts of levels of education but for the most part, if you have a high School diploma you can get and do our jobs and in time become very proficient at it.

We've taken cuts absolutely and no one should forget that but what I feel the TWU has given me came from over 70 years of collective bargaining raising the bar. The bar was raised so much that even after the cuts I make $269.00 per week more than the average High School graduate. (Not even considering benefits) That's $1076.00 per month more than the average. I actually make more than the average American worker and more than those who've completed an Associates degree. $93.00 per week more than the average American and $143.00 more per week than the Associates. I'm also expecting a decent raise when the JCBA talks are concluded BTW.

http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm

Now by the way the Average Baggage Handler only makes $12.00 per hour in the US. I currently make $23.00. Yes maybe with time in my chosen career outside of a Union shop I would make more than $12.00 per hour but then again there is my High School friend Gus Econnomu who works at one of those non union companies in JFK handling bags and cargo. He's been with this company for 10 years and only makes $14.50 per hour. Crappy benefits too BTW but at least he does have some.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Baggage_Handler_(Aviation%2fAirline)/Hourly_Rate

So this is what I see when I think about the TWU. I really don't care all that much about who is in what position banging what pretty secretary over the desk in his office. That's just a bunch of guys who want a leather chair of some kind and they can have it all they want. You got plenty that support your group who want their own leather chair as well. Don't be naive about that my friend.

You asked what do I expect or what do I want out of the association? Well for one thing I want peace. I don't want to fight against Union Brothers and Sisters over what union is better and what union I'm more comfortable with or what I like. It's not about me, it's about all of us. You don't think these guys will learn to get along and learn that there are bigger issues out there than us. I think your all wrong. I think they will learn and find that common ground (Call me naive) 

Between the IAM and the TWU they have Fleet almost locked up in the industry. Still working on Delta and Jet Blue but I think they'll come in soon and they just got Spirit and Frontier so they're bringing in those LCC's. I think once that's all locked up we'll have much better bargaining power and this association is the perfect link in working together to coordinate our efforts. The US Airline industry has finished it's restructuring and it's in the best position it's been in since before Deregulation in 1978. So I expect gains finally off the backs of those who should be paying us, the passengers. Fares are going to rise along with labor costs. (Read the analysts and what they have to say)

You and I have a fundamental ideological difference. You want to go small while I want to grow huge. You don't like or trust as you call them the Industrial Unions. None of them. I just don't feel insulating and isolating yourself is the answer. It just feels like you want to go hide in the closet from the big cruel world that's out there that wants to punch you in the eye. You don't call your group elitists but you only want to represent your class and craft and no one else. And yes there is the APA and APFA but I think they should be part of a much larger group as well. And I'd be telling them the same thing as I'm saying here if they were looking to isolate themselves.

Look maybe you'll get your cards before you retire and maybe you won't? If you do I wish you and all the guys you work with good luck. But the truth is that AMFA used to be a lot bigger than they are today and they are only down to about 2000 members left. That may not tell you something but it does tell me something. I'm just not into the idea of going small. I don't think it's going to work for your class and craft at the end of the day?

Did part time fleet service get full medical? Ive heard that it was taken away initially and then negotiated back in later on in the last contract.

 

[TRAVIS]

Its real hard for you to actually comprehend and post a true and factual rebuttal to the facts.

Little fact for you. US farms out 50% and your looser IAM didn't get us jack. Your looser union just gave the AMT's a BK contract with the COMPANY MAKING RECORD PROFFIT's . The list goes on and on.
Time for your looser union to hit the curb.

 

[700UW]

Little fact for you. US farms out 50% and your looser IAM didn't get us jack. Your looser union just gave the AMT's a BK contract with the COMPANY MAKING RECORD PROFFIT's . The list goes on and on.
Time for your looser union to hit the curb.

Your beloved IBT at HP let Franke layoff almost all the mechanics, farmout all of heavy maintenance and was almost shutdown by the FAA for lack of oversight in maintenance.
 
In 2005 the Judge abrogated the IAM/US CBA and let the company farmout whatever they want.
 
In 2008 in the Transition agreement the IAM was successful in only letting the company farmout 50% of billable hours of HMV.
 
I know it might be hard for you to grasp what has happened and what has been gained.
 
At AA they can farmout out 35% of ALL of the maintenance budget, cant do that at US.
 
AA can farmout line maintenance and anything else they want, cant happen at US.
 
So be blinded and just ignore the reality that US filed chapter 11 twice within two years.
HP and the IBT was the BOTTOM of the airlines in wages and scope in maintenance.
 
Go ask the GSE mechanics at HP the nice raise they got under the transition agreement of 2008.
 
Go read the IAM/CBA that makes the company keep PHX hangar open along with PIT and CLT.
 
And are you in the top 4,000 of mechanics at the New AA?
 
Dont ask for something that might show you out the door.
 
The most important thing in any CBA is scope language they can pay you $50 an hour, but 10,000 of your fellow mechanic and related, maybe even including you will be shown the door, but you should be use to it if you were at HP under Franke.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Just heard that at the 514 stewards meeting yesterday the TWU/IAM are going to start joint talks without an NMB ruling.

 

[WeAAsles]

Did part time fleet service get full medical? Ive heard that it was taken away initially and then negotiated back in later on in the last contract.

Yes. In the BK the cuts to our contract were 20%. When the Pilots give backs were reduced to 17% that triggered the "Me Too" and that 3% was added back to our contract. Our negotiators chose to bring the medical rates back down for PTers and we took the rest in small raises.

 

[Rogallo]

Just heard that at the 514 stewards meeting yesterday the TWU/IAM are going to start joint talks without an NMB ruling.

 
Well, yeah!  Did you expect the association not to be approved?
 
Rubber-stamped!

 

[737823]

Your beloved IBT at HP let Franke layoff almost all the mechanics, farmout all of heavy maintenance and was almost shutdown by the FAA for lack of oversight in maintenance.
 
In 2005 the Judge abrogated the IAM/US CBA and let the company farmout whatever they want.
 
In 2008 in the Transition agreement the IAM was successful in only letting the company farmout 50% of billable hours of HMV.
 
I know it might be hard for you to grasp what has happened and what has been gained.
 
At AA they can farmout out 35% of ALL of the maintenance budget, cant do that at US.
 
AA can farmout line maintenance and anything else they want, cant happen at US.
 
So be blinded and just ignore the reality that US filed chapter 11 twice within two years.
HP and the IBT was the BOTTOM of the airlines in wages and scope in maintenance.
 
Go ask the GSE mechanics at HP the nice raise they got under the transition agreement of 2008.
 
Go read the IAM/CBA that makes the company keep PHX hangar open along with PIT and CLT.
 
And are you in the top 4,000 of mechanics at the New AA?
 
Dont ask for something that might show you out the door.
 
The most important thing in any CBA is scope language they can pay you $50 an hour, but 10,000 of your fellow mechanic and related, maybe even including you will be shown the door, but you should be use to it if you were at HP under Franke.

50% is nothing to brag about. The only reason the IAM has the scope you do is because you gave away the store to get it. Hard to find a vendor to compete in total costs with the IAM agreement. The company wins with a bottom of the industry contract and gets to control work done in house. They get the best of both worlds.

Josh

 

[700UW]

50% is nothing to brag about. The only reason the IAM has the scope you do us because you gave away the store to get it. Hard to find a vendor to compete in total costs with the IAM agreement. The company wins with a bottom of the industry contract and gets to control work done in house. They get the best of both worlds.

Josh

Lets see what is better 100% of billable hours or 50% of billable hours of ONLY Heavy Maintenance Visits?
 
What is better 50% of heavy maintenance billable hours or 35% of THE WHOLE Maintenance budget with provisions for PMAA to exceed that amount?
 
Please show the board specific examples of what was given away as you say in the 2008 transition agreement to achieve that scope?
 
(Hint you will be looking for a long time as you are spreading misinformation once again.)
 
Stick with the facts, and back it up and refute the reality and facts of what really transpired.
 
You are nothing more than the master of misinformation, everything I have posted today is backed up by the truth and in writing in the former HP/IBT M&R CBA, the 2005 and 2008 IAM/US CBA and the current TWU M&R CBA.
 
Nothing but the facts.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Well, yeah!  Did you expect the association not to be approved?
 
Rubber-stamped!

Trying to get the discussion back on topic with something I was told! I don't know what to expect anymore.

 

[WeAAsles]

Just heard that at the 514 stewards meeting yesterday the TWU/IAM are going to start joint talks without an NMB ruling.

I doubt they're going to negotiate before the ruling but like I said they are going for training next month at the IAM training center.

We need to capture gains quick. Lots of turmoil brewing out there.