iam twu alliance vote

[700UW]

If the IAM is voted out at US Airways, they will certainly lose any future pension accruals.
 
They have already had one pension terminated, PMUS IAM members wont vote to lose another pension.
 
You are being dishonest once again.

 

[blue collar]

If the IAM is voted out at US Airways, they will certainly lose any future pension accruals.
 
They have already had one pension terminated, PMUS IAM members wont vote to lose another pension.
 
You are being dishonest once again.

They may lose out on future accruals, but a lot of the workforce is senior and won't be getting much from the pension as it is. Don't bank on the pension being the saving grace of the IAM.

 

[700UW]

It was a tremendous plus in the raid from the ibt.

 

[iluvaa]

Way to use fear to keep your sheep in line.

 

[blue collar]

It was a tremendous plus in the raid from the ibt.

It won't be enough to polish the turd that the alliance will be.

 

[700UW]

And everyone was saying the IBT was going to beat the IAM, how did that work out?

 

[swamt]

It was a tremendous plus in the raid from the ibt.

It was the only plus that kept the IAM in.  Also, most were well educated on the teamsters pension funds and how they were handled.  Like Blue said, most are older and will not lose their pensions.  They will have what they have and a new union coming in would have to by law enforce the current contract in place, period.  Just AMFA had to do when they replaced the teamsters here, they came in and enforced the current contract the teamsters left them with.   Your threats of the US membership losing their pensions is just yet another scare tactic.  Just how far are you willing to go with these scare tactics?  Pathetic...

 

[swamt]

Way to use fear to keep your sheep in line.

Exactly.   It's the only thing this alliance has left to use to try and keep themselves within the mechanics ranks in the airline industry.  

 

[1AA]

It was the only plus that kept the IAM in.  Also, most were well educated on the teamsters pension funds and how they were handled.  Like Blue said, most are older and will not lose their pensions.  They will have what they have and a new union coming in would have to by law enforce the current contract in place, period.  Just AMFA had to do when they replaced the teamsters here, they came in and enforced the current contract the teamsters left them with.   Your threats of the US membership losing their pensions is just yet another scare tactic.  Just how far are you willing to go with these scare tactics?  Pathetic...

And he (700UW) is not a AMT poking his nose around where it should not be in.

 

[swamt]

And everyone was saying the IBT was going to beat the IAM, how did that work out?

Not everyone said ibt would beat IAM.  I, for one, said the only thing that will save the IAM is the pension, do to people not knowing what will really happen when the new union was to take over.  If it were not for the scare tactics from the IAM telling its members that they would lose their pensions, and the fact that the teamsters just recently screwed up their pensions big time, the membership at US would be represented by ibt now.  Make no mistake about it.   Now the membership is tired of being tired, they are getting more info and not lies and scare tactics to help them with their choices.  It's only a matter of time for the TWU and the IAM...

 

[700UW]

It was the only plus that kept the IAM in.  Also, most were well educated on the teamsters pension funds and how they were handled.  Like Blue said, most are older and will not lose their pensions.  They will have what they have and a new union coming in would have to by law enforce the current contract in place, period.  Just AMFA had to do when they replaced the teamsters here, they came in and enforced the current contract the teamsters left them with.   Your threats of the US membership losing their pensions is just yet another scare tactic.  Just how far are you willing to go with these scare tactics?  Pathetic...

More misinformation from you.
 
If you are not an IAM Member any longer they will not be allowed to participate in the plan and accrue future earnings, that is in the plan, and if that happens, the money the company contributes to the plan stops and they keep any future payments, until a new CBA is negotiated.
 
So please explain to the board how AMFA can enforce the pension when the plan's terms are quite clear and legal and the pension have put letters out to all the US IAM members stating that.
 
See Fleet at US have a remedy if they are not in the plan anymore, M&R dont.
 
Steve Sleigh who is the fund director and a lawyer put out the official letter.
 
So you know more than the Plan, its director and the actuaries?
 
You can only be in the plan if you are an IAM Member or in a Coordinated Bargaining Unit.
 
So dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[swamt]

More misinformation from you.
 
If you are not an IAM Member any longer they will not be allowed to participate in the plan and accrue future earnings, that is in the plan, and if that happens, the money the company contributes to the plan stops and they keep any future payments, until a new CBA is negotiated.
 
So please explain to the board how AMFA can enforce the pension when the plan's terms are quite clear and legal and the pension have put letters out to all the US IAM members stating that.
 
See Fleet at US have a remedy if they are not in the plan anymore, M&R dont.
 
Steve Sleigh who is the fund director and a lawyer put out the official letter.
 
So you know more than the Plan, its director and the actuaries?
 
You can only be in the plan if you are an IAM Member or in a Coordinated Bargaining Unit.
 
So dont let the facts get in your way.

It is not misinformation.  THEY WILL NOT LOSE THEIR PENSIONS---PERIOD!!!
The new incoming union (any union) will enforce the current contract in place---By Law.
If their is a clause that says you absolutely have to be an IAM member in order to receive payments towards your pension, then that is a scam in itself.  The only reason any union would have that kind of language is to do one thing, force the membership to stay with them at all cost.  Now that is BS.
But guess what?   THEY STILL DO NOT LOSE THEIR PENSIONS!!!  And as you stated it can and would continue the payments (and I'm positive it would all get worked out)  once nego again.   Pretty sure AMFA would be able to nego it back in and word it where the membership can have any union they want and still get retirement payments towards their retirement.  This is why you never let a union control the pensions-they put language like this in the contract to try and force the members to stay with them during any card drive just like we just witnessed.  The IAM is just as bad as the TWU with language like that just more scare tactics, pathetic.   THEY STILL WILL NOT LOSE THEIR PENSIONS...

 

[700UW]

How stupid are you? I mean really?
 
If you are not an IAM member the plan will not accept any money from US Airways for the former IAM Members, its in black and white.
 
They will keep any accruals that have received and no future accruals, thats what is in the plan, and both the IAM and Company will go buy it.
 
This has been tested before, the IAMNPF clearly put out a letter to all explaining it.
 
If they are no longer IAM Members, the plan will not accept money from US for the former members.
Fleet has language if that happens the money goes into a 401k match, Mechanic and Related have no such language.
 
And if M&R approve this TA, Section 6 is three years away, so what are the Mechanic and Related suppose to do for over a three year period?
 
Do you think US is just going to give them the money?
 
You are more stupid than I have ever thought.
 
Can you not understand the plan and the law or is it you are a lawyer, accountant, the plan trustee and US Airways Labor Relations?
 
So Steve Sleigh and the IAMNPF put out a letter that is a bunch of lies?
 
I mean really?
 
I have a copy of the letter, but cant upload it, but I will keep trying.
 
I can e-mail it to anyone who wants to see it.
 
If you want to read the letter, PM me an e-mail address and I will gladly send it, maybe you will actually get it then.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

If the US Mechs go AMFA, they will not lose their pensions.
 
While it is true that they will not gain anymore in said pension after AMFA is certified, it is also true they will not lose what they have already vested in the plan.
 
As for the company's contributions to the plan on behalf of the mechanics - just because the IAMPP will no longer accepts the funds after an AMFA win, doesn't mean the company simply gets to keep the money.

 

[1AA]

If the US Mechs go AMFA, they will not lose their pensions.
 
While it is true that they will not gain anymore in said pension after AMFA is certified, it is also true they will not lose what they have already vested in the plan.
 
As for the company's contributions to the plan on behalf of the mechanics - just because the IAMPP will no longer accepts the funds after an AMFA win, doesn't mean the company simply gets to keep the money.

And No guarantee that with the alliance the future contributions will continue.
Regardless of any agreement when a JCBA is put into place who really knows what it will include, change and remove from all current agreements wit the IAM and TWU.
What is contractual today may not be next year or whenever a JCBA is finalized.