TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[TRAVIS]

Good information on these links:
 
Just for you Missing in Action AMFA.
 
http://www.iamdl142.org/AMFA/AMFA%20Risk.pdf
 
http://www.iamdl142.org/AMFA/Rebuttal%20to%20AMFA%20response%20concerning%20IAM.pdf
 
http://www.iamdl142.org/AMFA/AMFA%20License%20Premium.pdf
 
How come in the past nine years AMFA hasnt been able to negotiate an increase in license pay at WN?
 
How come WN has only averaged a .73 cents raise per year over the past nine years at WN?
 
Why does AS pay $348.98 per month for an 80/20 plan under AMFA yet a mechanic at US under the IAM only pays $81.64 a month?

I will take what they were making 9 years ago.

 

[TRAVIS]

Good information on these links:
 
Just for you Missing in Action AMFA.
 
http://www.iamdl142.org/AMFA/AMFA%20Risk.pdf
 
http://www.iamdl142.org/AMFA/Rebuttal%20to%20AMFA%20response%20concerning%20IAM.pdf
 
http://www.iamdl142.org/AMFA/AMFA%20License%20Premium.pdf
 
How come in the past nine years AMFA hasnt been able to negotiate an increase in license pay at WN?
 
How come WN has only averaged a .73 cents raise per year over the past nine years at WN?
 
Why does AS pay $348.98 per month for an 80/20 plan under AMFA yet a mechanic at US under the IAM only pays $81.64 a month?

It's real hard for you to face the facts the IAM has failed the MX members.

 

[john john]

And who does this work at USAIR? They have vendors too. As does UA. They always have and always will. You guys keep saying the agent jobs are under attack and being outsourced but that simply isn't the case. In the bankruptcy a few small stations lost mainline agents but the reality was they saw vey few mainline flights to justify keeping mainline agents.

Josh

Simply history proves you wrong
outsourcing has occurred

 

[WeAAsles]

So basically as a baggage handler, you are doing better than the average worker. I bet you're doing as good as, if not better than OTHER baggage handlers in the industry. To that I say good for you.
 
The same cannot be said for aircraft mechanics.

If you took in the numbers for the amount of work you had just prior to the bankruptcy, meaning the OH work in TULSA you would find that you were at the top of the industry in total compensation being gained against AA.

If that work had been given up in 2003 and equaled to the rest of the industry your per hour base (the survivors) would have been more than Delta, Northwest, United, Continental and USAIR. Do those jobs hold any value to you?

I would love to know if the majority of those who voted no for that association poll are line mechanics? Are any of those pollsters OH mechanics? Are you?

 

[700UW]

Such an intelligent response, with people like you, no wonder why amfa is missing in action.
 
You do realize that WN has almost 700 planes and only does four lines of check?
 
From WN's Annual Report:
 

At December 31, 2013, the Company had 44,831 active fulltime equivalent Employees, consisting of 19,003 flight, 2,689 maintenance, 15,464 ground, Customer, and fleet service, and 7,675 management, finance, marketing, and clerical personnel (associated with non-operational departments). Approximately 83 percent of these Employees were represented by labor unions.
 

 

From the AA/US 10K:
 

As of December 31, 2012, US Airways employed approximately 31,200 active full-time equivalent employees, including approximately 4,000 pilots, 7,000 flight attendants, 3,200 maintenance personnel, 5,400 fleet service personnel, 6,100 passenger service personnel and 5,500 personnel in administrative and various other job categories. In addition, our express subsidiaries, Piedmont and PSA, employed approximately 5,300 active full-time equivalent employees, including approximately 800 pilots, 400 flight attendants, 400 maintenance personnel, 2,500 passenger service personnel and 1,200 personnel in administrative and various other job categories.
 

 
PMUS has about the fleet size of about half of WN and has more maintenance personnel.
 
PMAA has about what 11,000 Maintenance personnel for around 630 planes.
 
So the combined AA and US has over 13,000 maintenance personnel for around 1000 planes.
 
WN has about 2,700 maintenance personnel for about 680 planes.
 
Do the math, if you took WN's CBA if you arent in the top say 4,000 you wont have a job.
 
So you will see about 10,000 jobs lost.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[MetalMover]

If you took in the numbers for the amount of work you had just prior to the bankruptcy, meaning the OH work in TULSA you would find that you were at the top of the industry in total compensation being gained against AA.

If that work had been given up in 2003 and equaled to the rest of the industry your per hour base (the survivors) would have been more than Delta, Northwest, United, Continental and USAIR. Do those jobs hold any value to you?

I would love to know if the majority of those who voted no for that association poll are line mechanics? Are any of those pollsters OH mechanics? Are you?

I don't see how you can include "work" into compensation. You sound like management adding this  in as compensation.
Compensation includes hourly wage, overtime, holiday pay and yes even vacations. What OH work gets done in TULSA has no bearing on my paycheck, Sorry I don't agree with your logic.
I am a line mechanic...Not OH and not a pollster.
 
Having said this, however, I am getting LESS compensation because of prior contracts which claimed to save OH jobs. Add in more concessions to allegedly save jobs, and we all took a beating.

 

[700UW]

It's real hard for you to face the facts the IAM has failed the MX members.

Its real hard for you to actually comprehend and post a true and factual rebuttal to the facts.

 

[737823]

Simply history proves you wrong
outsourcing has occurred

So you can't answer the question. Noted. Meanwhile you guys have at least two dues objectors in Miami now.

Josh

 

[737823]

Such an intelligent response, with people like you, no wonder why amfa is missing in action.
 
You do realize that WN has almost 700 planes and only does four lines of check?
 
From WN's Annual Report:
 

 
From the AA/US 10K:
 
 
PMUS has about the fleet size of about half of WN and has more maintenance personnel.
 
PMAA has about what 11,000 Maintenance personnel for around 630 planes.
 
So the combined AA and US has over 13,000 maintenance personnel for around 1000 planes.
 
WN has about 2,700 maintenance personnel for about 680 planes.
 
Do the math, if you took WN's CBA if you arent in the top say 4,000 you wont have a job.
 
So you will see about 10,000 jobs lost.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

Guess company boy can't comprehend that WN has never laid anyone off, and their mechanics make more than IAM USAIR. It's about quality not quantity. But hey AA AMTs should listen to the IAM luvin' ex USAIR stock clerk who has been gone since 2005.

Josh

 

[john john]

Meanwhile you guys have at least two dues objectors in Miami now.

Josh

Do they change your tickets for you

 

[737823]

For 700:

700uw

Again its all about aircraft mechanics here at AA, NOT the IAM, If you care so much about what happens with the IAM why are you here on an AA site which is all about AMFA and the TWU, and ibt.

You just like to spout off all your IAM and industrial crap, which has nothing to do with AA. Have nothing else to do?

You do have a vast knowledge or so it would seem about unions but its about aircraft mechanics, facilities, and auto mechanics, what we want and which union we want to represent us. Not About what you think we should have. Your just trying to cause a distraction, like most guys need that at this time.

The USAir guys need to listen to your stuff about the IAM since they have now requested that the IBT replace them.

Or is it your IAM support does not fly over there (USAir) since very few give a crap anyways.
.

Josh

 

[700UW]

I posted actual numbers from the annual reports and fleet counts.
 
Refute what is posted.
 
If the new AA took WN's CBA lock, stock and barrel there would be 10,000 jobs lost at the new AA.
 
So if you arent in the top 4,000 you will be taking your toolbox and rollaway home.
 
Stick to the topic at hand.

 

[737823]

Do they change your tickets for you

The AA agents I know take very good care of me and regularly overbook flights and push my upgrades through. The USAIR agents don't but it's always fun talking to them about the CWA. I had a long conversation the other day with one of the PIT stewards. She thought I was management it was so fun.

Josh

 

[737823]

I posted actual numbers from the annual reports and fleet counts.
 
Refute what is posted.
 
If the new AA took WN's CBA lock, stock and barrel there would be 10,000 jobs lost at the new AA.
 
So if you arent in the top 4,000 you will be taking your toolbox and rollaway home.
 
Stick to the topic at hand.

Correct and the IAM keeps all those people around because they are at the botrom of the industry. You aren't an AMT nor are you an active employee this is all of no consequence to you.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Correct and the IAM keeps all those people around because they are at the botrom of the industry. You aren't an AMT nor are you an active employee this is all of no consequence to you.

Josh

Refute the information.