TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[john john]

Just saying how is it fair for the AA employees in MIA

Not to have a CBA What would be fair is for the company to bring American Passenger Service Agents in MIA under the CWA CBA

 

[737823]

Not to have a CBA What would be fair is for the company to bring American Passenger Service Agents in MIA under the CWA CBA

The AA employees have coexisted for years without a CBA or representation. If it wasn't for the merger there wouldn't have been another election so soon. Only reason it passed is your USAIR people voted to keep their union and this time around the USAIR management stayed out of the campaign unlike the old AA management who educated the employees of the dangers of joining the CWA.

John John do you know Ellis Ryan and Georgina Felix at 3140? They are both USAIR, Ellis is retired and hasn't worked at SRQ for nine years yet he has stayed around. Neither of them have ever worked for AA and Ellis hasn't worked at MIA. The problem with the CWA is they protect the small stations (for dues $$$$) at the expense of the people in the hubs.

Josh

 

[NYer]

Preferential Hiring?  Really?  Who cares?  Meanwhile your association is a combination of the absolute worst two unions for AMTs in the industry! 
 
As Bob points out, the fleet service clerks will be deciding what the AMTs have on their contract based on the way the locals are set up for negotiations.  Is that really the kind of representation AA's AMTs want?  We have been down that road before.

 
Your Brothers & Sisters, and their families, that were able to get back on the job....that's who cares.
 
Get those cards signed, Vortilon, there is not excuse to not have enough cards signed....I mean that's what the majority wants...or is it? It's been a decade, the process should be streamlined and the organizers should have learned from their mistakes by now.....get them signed. Can you get enough? NO.

 

[Vortilon]

 

Preferential Hiring?  Really?  Who cares?

Those who took the street and need to work or those who want to get home to their families, that's who. This comment speaks volumes of your character, or lack of any. <_<


  Meanwhile your association is a combination of the absolute worst two unions for AMTs in the industry! 
 
As Bob points out, the fleet service clerks will be deciding what the AMTs have on their contract based on the way the locals are set up for negotiations.  Is that really the kind of representation AA's AMTs want?  We have been down that road before.

 

 
It's called recall rights.  This issue of preferential hiring on the list of importance to AMTs - isn't anywhere near the top.

 

[WeAAsles]

It's called recall rights.  This issue of preferential hiring on the list of importance to AMTs - isn't anywhere near the top.

My guess is you would think differently if it had been you on the street or away from your family?

Carry on.

 

[NYer]

My guess is you would think differently if it had been you on the street or away from your family?

Carry on.

 
If they don't understand the difference between a recall and the Preferential Hiring, they can't be expected to understand the situation of their own Brothers & Sisters being able to get back to work and how important it is to them and their families.

 

[scorpion 2]

The "Me Too" prevented a 20% cut and it was brought back to 17%. In dollars, that would be about $60M we were able to get back into our CBA's. However, I understand how facts are an inconvenient attribute agains the thick anti-TWU rhetoric.

That happened early on before any cba had been voted on. The me-too provided nothing after the deal was done but it did hoodwink a lot of folks into voting yes. The so called me-too (1.7%) extra equity was total bunk.

All you did was spin the 1.7% fraud that was sold to the membership into an earlier situation because you don't have a truthful answer. Spin is not truth its diversion from the truth. The twu members on this board know what tactics have been employed over the years to get contracts passed but the IAM members need to know what their crawling in bed with. All we are going to get with this association is a marriage of the most deceitful tactics of both unions to get contracts signed.

 

[700UW]

All true but doesn't change the fact that you ushered in concessions and left. Guess you are too cool to work under the very concessionary YOU negotiated.
Josh

Are you truly that ignorant or just a flamebaiter? You truly can't be that stupid?

 

[737823]

Are you truly that ignorant or just a flamebaiter? You truly can't be that stupid?

I think you are obtuse.

Show me one lie, you are just like Overspeed.

I write one thing and you claim that I wrote something else, and then say I'm wrong or I lied.

Imagine that, someone who claims to be a labor leader saying that unless a law explicitly says you have the right to strike that you cant strike, its the opposite, the right to strike exists unless there is a specific restriction against it.

The RLA says that if carriers unilaterally change rates of pay or working conditions workers under the RLA can strike, other than BK how else could a carrier legally unilaterally change pay and working conditions? Legislation says we can strike but a Judicial decision says we cant sttike until we exhaust the Section 6 process.


Sharon told us no such thing because its not true. The laws are equal, however the appelate courts ruling trumps the law, and it wasnt the BK court that made the ruling.

First off I didnt say that 1113 existed back in 1983, you say I said it.

Are you sure the Unions were decertified by the Judge? Their contracts with the company was wiped out and maybe Lorenzo refused to negotiate with the Union but thats not a decertification. The members decertify, not the company. Are you claiming that BK courts have the right to decertify unions as the Collective Bargaining Agent? Once again, show me where 1113 says that workers can not strike if their contract is abrogated. I know that there was no 1113 in 1983 but show me where it says that Unions cant strike if their contract is abrogated. Even the judge in the NWA BK case said they could strike, it was another court that issued the injunction, you should know that.

You did go through this twice right?

You admitted a while back that you left USAIR, after you helped usher in two rounds of concessions, so who do you work for now?

Josh

 

[john john]

The AA employees have coexisted for years without a CBA or representation. If it wasn't for the merger there wouldn't have been another election so soon. Only reason it passed is your USAIR people voted to keep their union and this time around the USAIR management stayed out of the campaign unlike the old AA management who educated the employees of the dangers of joining the CWA.

Mad your firm didn’t get hired
American Passenger Service Agents kept seeing their jobs outsourced system wide
Out of 11,187 total votes cast (13,962 eligible), a resounding 9,640 (86%) voted in favor of representation.

 

[737823]

AA has always had red costs that is nothing new. Redcoats do not do agent work such as ticketing, they simply facilitate passengers to use the kiosk for simple check-in transactions. Your CWA rolled over and allowed USAIR to send jobs overseas, so much for union protection. At AA all calls are handles by US-based agents and always have been. And your union facilitates outsourcing to Piedmont (EN) where they still collect dues. You still haven't answered why a USAIR retiree who have been in the industry for nearly a decade still represents the agents. AA agents don't want USAIR people representing them.

Josh

 

[john john]

The problem with the CWA is they protect the small stations

Josh

This is not a problem for CWA members it is something the company would like to do away with . OUTSOURCE ALL OUT STATION IS YOUR AGENDA

 

[700UW]

The jobs went overseas due to bankruptcy and those jobs are all back. And the CWA got snap backs .

 

[737823]

This is not a problem for CWA members it is a problem for the company

Guess you haven't read the UA agreement you have to bargain against that and the IAM has lowered the standards for all workers. It's not good for the hub employees at MIA to keep people in Sarasota, Myrtle Beach, Pensacola and all these places USAIR has mainline agents but only express flights.

Josh

 

[737823]

The jobs went overseas due to bankruptcy and those jobs are all back. And the CWA got snap backs .

Not every single one it's still a net loss. Difference is unorganized AA never sent US-based calls overseas. AA has overseas call centers that handle calls for that specific region.

Josh