TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[WeAAsles]

AMFA has a lot more transparency and accountability. Two big things industrial unions don't.

That's your biggest selling point but you guys always seem to run off into La La land from that message. And also seem to ignore the fact that the idea just isn't working no matter how hard you try to push it.

What happens if AMFA cannot secure a good CBA against SWA? How long do the members there have to wait to find out?

 

[MetalMover]

 
Why don't you ask the past represented Members of AMFA at Mesaba, Northwest, Horizon, United, Ozark, Braniff, Republic and even the Trump Shuttle....All they have left in the picnic basket is Alaska and Southwest...2000 Members, not even 10% of what they used to have.....that's a winner? Hardly.
 
The TWU is doing well at SWA, what's your point?

Answer the question. How are the SWA mechanics doing with AMFA?

 

[MetalMover]

 

Did you have a say when the TWU voted on YOUR behalf to eliminate profit sharing?

No because there was an extreme time constraint to making that decision and from having heard what Delta employees are going to get when you average it for the year it was a good decision. Especially to those who put in those tons of extra hours.
 
Did you forget that jim Little was on record as saying that should the BK concession contract have gotten voted down, then HE would've had UN-DID the no vote?

Did he do that when you guys said no the first time? No you still had time to make changes that the membership then slimly accepted.
 
You pro TWUers are a hoot!
You don't trust the company, don;t trust the government, but you trust the self serving union leadership.

Never said that I trust anyone. Union leaders or otherwise. I do trust what I read though and my own common sense.
 
Let me know how you feel should the TWU FORCE YOU INTO THE IAMPNF!

Let me know how you feel when that doesn't happen. I doubt you will though?
 
There is more of a self serving meaning to this BS alliance than they are letting us in on.

You have been told what that is but you just don't believe it.

 

I've also been told by the TWU for well over 30 years "They can do that brother!"
 
Maybe you like drinking TWU kool aid. I sure as hell don't.

 

[MetalMover]

That's your biggest selling point but you guys always seem to run off into La La land from that message. And also seem to ignore the fact that the idea just isn't working no matter how hard you try to push it.

 

The idea of accountability is not working??????
So you would rather live under the TWU dictatorship?
 
Also, explain why WE THE MEMBERS have no say in TWU appointments and salaries!  And the last time I checked the members have no say in TWU appointments and salaries.
Are you ok with this, WeAAsles? 
Can you recall any of the TWU international appointees?

 

[WeAAsles]

The idea of accountability is not working??????
So you would rather live under the TWU dictatorship?
 
Also, explain why WE THE MEMBERS have no say in TWU appointments and salaries!  And the last time I checked the members have no say in TWU appointments and salaries.
Are you ok with this, WeAAsles? 
Can you recall any of the TWU international appointees?

No I'm saying through all the members that AMFA has lost it's not working. The numbers prove that point no matter how they got there.

Actually I'm the guy who made a motion here in MIA that the members have a say in who get's elected to the International that was read on the floor of the convention much to the chagrin of my current local president who now can't stand me since I put him in the spotlight. So maybe that answers that question?

Funny we tried to seek support for that initiative from Local 591 and never heard a peep in return from them? Maybe Bob can explain why his local had no interest in moving forward with the motion?

 

[NYer]

AMFA has a lot more transparency and accountability. Two big things industrial unions don't.

 
So is that why when they manage to get Members they usually leave for other representation? I mean they've tried to organize us for the past decade but they haven't been able to keep those they already represented. That can't be ignored.

 

[NYer]

Answer the question. How are the SWA mechanics doing with AMFA?

 
I guess they're doing pretty well. As a matter of fact, the Fleet group at SWA are also doing pretty well and they're TWU.
 
So, how are the NWA, UA and other represented AMFA mechanics doing? Oh sorry. They chose other pastures once they got a little taste of utopia. Nevermind.

 

[WeAAsles]

BTW MetalMover the Local Fleet President in BOS was the only one who made a case to his membership as to who he wanted to vote for at the convention and if they accepted his choice. For that he gained my extreme admiration for his courage had they disagreed with him.

Did Bob Peterson poll his members for who they would have wanted to vote for at the convention? That's your accountability to the members in action.

 

[MetalMover]

 
I guess they're doing pretty well. As a matter of fact, the Fleet group at SWA are also doing pretty well and they're TWU.
 
So, how are the NWA, UA and other represented AMFA mechanics doing? Oh sorry. They chose other pastures once they got a little taste of utopia. Nevermind.

No paradise with respect to CO/UA....How them negotiations join?
I agree with the NWA fiasco. They allowed the company all the time in the world to hire scab replacements. 
Maybe one day, yourself, WeAAsles and all the other pro-TWU supporters will understand why the rest of us detest the TWU. You want us to buy into your reasoning but you deny the negatives that afflict the TWU.
 
Is AMFA the best? No... But neither is the TWU, IAM or the BS Alliance.
I will vote for any union other than the TWU or  the IAM or the BS alliance just to free myself from their clutches. And, like UA, if we are unhappy with them, then we KNOW we have the power to get rid of them as well.
But this rah-rah, hip hip hooray TWU support is near nauseating.
Why do you think so many of us dislike them? And if you did ask the question, whatever the answer was I'm sure you would blow it off.
 
For starters, I would give some support to the TWU WHEN THEY ALLOW ME TO VOTE ON EVERY POSITION THAT IS NOW APPOINTED!
Then I want a say in their salaries.
 
Is that a good start for you? And please don;t tell me the members have the power to change the constitution. We ll know that is BS.

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey Metal, what happened? Cat got your tongue?

Guess since I basically agreed with you it puts you in a bit of a bind pointing out that the leaders you support don't really want you to have a voice either?

They can sure try to sell it but when it comes time to put up or shut up, they're DOA.

 

[NYer]

No paradise with respect to CO/UA....How them negotiations join?
I agree with the NWA fiasco. They allowed the company all the time in the world to hire scab replacements. 
Maybe one day, yourself, WeAAsles and all the other pro-TWU supporters will understand why the rest of us detest the TWU. You want us to buy into your reasoning but you deny the negatives that afflict the TWU.
 
Is AMFA the best? No... But neither is the TWU, IAM or the BS Alliance.
I will vote for any union other than the TWU or  the IAM or the BS alliance just to free myself from their clutches. And, like UA, if we are unhappy with them, then we KNOW we have the power to get rid of them as well.
But this rah-rah, hip hip hooray TWU support is near nauseating.
Why do you think so many of us dislike them? And if you did ask the question, whatever the answer was I'm sure you would blow it off.
 
For starters, I would give some support to the TWU WHEN THEY ALLOW ME TO VOTE ON EVERY POSITION THAT IS NOW APPOINTED!
Then I want a say in their salaries.
 
Is that a good start for you? And please don;t tell me the members have the power to change the constitution. We ll know that is BS.

 
Never denied negatives with TWU. I don't like the fact there is little communication since the last Convention. I think they could do better in educating and preparing their Stewards and they certainly need to find a better process for negotiations, as there is too much infighting. However, I'm not willing to burn down the house because there are a few broken windows. On the other hand, the alternative has had thousands of our Brothers and Sisters at other airlines turn to AMFA and then turn away. That can't be ignored. The fact they have about 2000 Members, that can't be ignored. The fact they've tried to organize at AA for a decade with no success, that can't be ignored either.
 
You're willing to run away from the TWU, the IAM and the Alliance to give AMFA a try and if they're no good then you'd run away again. That, my dear MetalMover, is not the way to advance.

 

[NYer]

No paradise with respect to CO/UA....How them negotiations join?
I agree with the NWA fiasco. They allowed the company all the time in the world to hire scab replacements. 
Maybe one day, yourself, WeAAsles and all the other pro-TWU supporters will understand why the rest of us detest the TWU. You want us to buy into your reasoning but you deny the negatives that afflict the TWU.
 
Is AMFA the best? No... But neither is the TWU, IAM or the BS Alliance.
I will vote for any union other than the TWU or  the IAM or the BS alliance just to free myself from their clutches. And, like UA, if we are unhappy with them, then we KNOW we have the power to get rid of them as well.
But this rah-rah, hip hip hooray TWU support is near nauseating.
Why do you think so many of us dislike them? And if you did ask the question, whatever the answer was I'm sure you would blow it off.
 
For starters, I would give some support to the TWU WHEN THEY ALLOW ME TO VOTE ON EVERY POSITION THAT IS NOW APPOINTED!
Then I want a say in their salaries.
 
Is that a good start for you? And please don;t tell me the members have the power to change the constitution. We ll know that is BS.

 
Voting? That's the solution?
 
In the past three or four years, just about every single AA ATD Local has had a turnover, the International uppety-ups have had a turnover. The ATD has had a turnover and what is everyone looking for? More votes and more turnover. That seems to be the answer.
 
Then we go to AMFA and if we didn't learn from other mechanics in the industry we need to taste it ourselves, but don't despair because then we can have another vote...more turnover.

 

[MetalMover]

 
Voting? That's the solution?
 
In the past three or four years, just about every single AA ATD Local has had a turnover, the International uppety-ups have had a turnover. The ATD has had a turnover and what is everyone looking for? More votes and more turnover. That seems to be the answer.
 
Then we go to AMFA and if we didn't learn from other mechanics in the industry we need to taste it ourselves, but don't despair because then we can have another vote...more turnover.

Do you need to be reminded how those who can affect change get bought off by the International? It's called bribery with promises of international positions. 
Tell me, what does the TWU have against letting us vote on each and every position and their salaries? Is that too much to ask? What are they afraid of?
Why does it take something short of an act of congress to change this?

 

[MetalMover]

Hey Metal, what happened? Cat got your tongue?

Guess since I basically agreed with you it puts you in a bit of a bind pointing out that the leaders you support don't really want you to have a voice either?

They can sure try to sell it but when it comes time to put up or shut up, they're DOA.

I've been responding to each and every post..No cat got my tongue.
Also do you realize that the TWU is primarily a bus and rail union?  So no matter how much the ATD locals want change, it is not going to happen unless the rest of the locals want change.
Change within the TWU international can only be achieved with the support of the other locals represented, not just ATD.
 
Why do you think "CERTAIN" appointments are made? They are the ones who are more than willing to tow the TWU's line. 
The bottom line is no matter what each member may or may not want, those who get to go to the convention have a say. All they have to say when they come back is that they were outvoted.
 
BTW, I don't recall ever being a cheerleader for Peterson and the leadership. They are the TWU as well. I still want a change of representation.

 

[NYer]

Do you need to be reminded how those who can affect change get bought off by the International? It's called bribery with promises of international positions. 
Tell me, what does the TWU have against letting us vote on each and every position and their salaries? Is that too much to ask? What are they afraid of?
Why does it take something short of an act of congress to change this?

 
And that's your reason to want change? That's the reason there needs to be cut from the TWU, IAM and Association. So that you can make changes on a whim? That's of course, if you happen to be the majority that wants the change and if you're not (as you are here in the TWU) then no change can happen. The thing is that the majority is empowered to make change, but you don't happen to be that majority and unless you are (whether here or elsewhere) you can't get what you want. 
 
Again, there were about 20,000 Members in AMFA and now there are 2,000. That's a pretty strong voice for me. Even stronger still when the pro-AMFA group hasn't been able to make a dent in organizing. No thanks. I'd rather not jump off the cliff just because it's there.