TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[700UW]

You dont have scope at WN, you have four lines of check for 700 airplanes.
 
WN doesnt have the number of jobs that other airlines have because of the lack of scope language.
 
AA would gladly pay the mechanics WN wages, just let AA have WN's scope language or lack of shall I say.
 
You can make all the money you want, if there arent jobs, there arent the members to make those high wages now are there?

 

[737823]

You dont have scope at WN, you have four lines of check for 700 airplanes.
 
WN doesnt have the number of jobs that other airlines have because of the lack of scope language.
 
AA would gladly pay the mechanics WN wages, just let AA have WN's scope language or lack of shall I say.
 
You can make all the money you want, if there arent jobs, there arent the members to make those high wages now are there?

 
You call people selfish and elitist who want WN type agreements. More accurately you are saying they should lower their expectations and settle for less-in other words "just be glad you have a job".  The IAM keeps mechanics at USAIR but they are at the bottom of the industry and paid unlivable wages.  Mechanics at US makes less today than they did in 2002 in real dollars (and nominal too).
 
Josh

 

[700UW]

They are not at the bottom, their CBA has better Scope, Benefits, Vacations, Holiday, OT pay better insurance and cheaper and a lot of other things
 
So since when have you worked for AA or US or been an IAM or TWU member?
 
And Mechanics at DL and AA also make less than they did in 2002 in real dollars.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[blue collar]

They are not at the bottom, their CBA has better Scope, Benefits, Vacations, Holiday, OT pay better insurance and cheaper and a lot of other things
 
So since when have you worked for AA or US or been an IAM or TWU member?
 
And Mechanics at DL and AA also make less than they did in 2002 in real dollars.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

I've been at AA and US. Now at WN I have more compensation, holidays (and a much better holiday pay rate), vacation, sick time (paid at 100%), and better OT rules. Oh, and as far as scope goes, we do all the same (more actually); and how many layoffs has WN had? Keep your (in your eyes) 'better' scope, I'll keep my no layoffs.
Edit- I shouldn't have said 'your' scope. Should've said THEIR scope. I addressed all of the points that you brought up that makes the US CBA better, and disproved them. Any other things you think are better?

 

[737823]

They are not at the bottom, their CBA has better Scope, Benefits, Vacations, Holiday, OT pay better insurance and cheaper and a lot of other things
 
So since when have you worked for AA or US or been an IAM or TWU member?
 
And Mechanics at DL and AA also make less than they did in 2002 in real dollars.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

Prove the IAM US CBAs are better. And it isn't some huge accomplishment to be marginally ahead of AA TWU from bankruptcy company boy.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Prove the IAM US CBAs are better. And it isn't some huge accomplishment to be marginally ahead of AA TWU from bankruptcy company boy.

Josh

Prove it isnt, I gave my examples.

 

[blue collar]

Prove it isnt, I gave my examples.

I gave my examples also. Any response?

 

[xUT]

Crap, the 700 & josh show once again...
Mods, can you put these children in a separate thread and let them slug it out?

 

[iluvaa]

Hope Josh wins the slug fest.

 

[TRAVIS]

I think josh is asking good questions that point out failures of the IAM and not getting the answers or more or less a IAM stereo reply/ it's the BK or the judge or any other lame reason they can come up with to cover up their failure to represent the membership. 

 

[TRAVIS]

Ok so what happens to the TWU guys in BOS, PHL and DCA that will be forced into the IAM? Do they go into the IAMPF or stay with the 401K? What about the IAM folks in LGA, do they lose their IAMPF because they were forced into the TWU? 
 
The Alliance already stated that they want us all in the IAMPF. 
 
Two sides fighting each other vs one union? If its difficult when both are in the same union it can only be worse when they are in two different unions. Thats why both the Pilots and Flight Attendants went with one union, not two. Unlike the incident in 2006 between the TWU and IAM there was no violence and the Unions simply did what was good for the members. I won't argue that the Alliance certainly beats having people hospitalized and the Union paying out $800,000 but any deal should be whats better for the members, not whats better for the leaders of the Unions, clearly as hard as you try and spin it this deal is not because the members will benefit or desire this, its because Little and Buffy want it.  
 
If you believe the members want this then why not simply put it to a vote like the IBT/CWA did? 

BOB I'll go get the mop. +1
 
There was the TWU reps from AWA TWU Ramp that got BUM Rushed in a hotel in PHL BY IAM members if I'm not mistaken and they did end up hospitalized. 

 

[MetalMover]

You dont have scope at WN, you have four lines of check for 700 airplanes.
 
WN doesnt have the number of jobs that other airlines have because of the lack of scope language.
 
AA would gladly pay the mechanics WN wages, just let AA have WN's scope language or lack of shall I say.
 
You can make all the money you want, if there arent jobs, there arent the members to make those high wages now are there?

Hey! I know how to have 100% employment in this industry, let alone this industry!!! Let everyone work for minimum wage!

 

[Zom JFK]

I think josh is asking good questions that point out failures of the IAM and not getting the answers or more or less a IAM stereo reply/ it's the BK or the judge or any other lame reason they can come up with to cover up their failure to represent the membership. 

No airline union has failed their members more than the twu.

 

[TRAVIS]

No airline union has failed their members more than the twu.

Look at the new IAM contract at US and we are going to have the same thing two Looser's.

 

[NYer]

NYer, first off, I am from sCAL. So I don't need to speak with anybody. I am living it. Second, we are not talking about the APFA, we are talking about the iam, TWU and teamsters.
 
I have a question for you. Why would the company want a deal done before getting a single operating certificate? UAL is doing just fine YEARS after they obtained theirs. Why would AA be any different. The teamsters told us the very same thing, the companies wallets is open, they want a deal done quick.....................   that was FOUR years ago.

 
UA isn't maximizing their synergies and revenue upswing because of the long term contract issues they've had. In AA's case, it seems the APA and the APFA were told in no uncertain terms that they would garner a better CBA if they could get a deal done quickly. That is the reason those two unions have agreed to expedited negotiations with a timeframe for an arbitration to decide their final deals. I don't believe they'd agree to something like that unless it was fruitful and they knew that the same gainswould not be forthcoming if the negotiations are drawn out. ( don't be surprised for the Association to have a similar agreement). The only factor that would make the airline agree to such a thing is to ensure all their labor issues are dealt with once the Single Operators Certificate is issued...sometime in late 2015.