TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[TRAVIS]

SOGGIE WHEATIES!! LOL

 

[737823]

How many times are you going to lie?
 
We have been over and over and over this, the NC at that time NEVER reached an agreement our CBA was abrogated and the judge forced the vote on the final offer the company proposed.
 
So when were you an IAM member, or a TWU member and worked for AA or US under the Mechanic and related class and craft?
 
When are you going to come clean?

Prove your IAM agreement is better than AA TWU.

Josh

 

[700UW]

Prove it isn't. And answer what I asked of you since I have only asked you numerous times and yet you never answer.

 

[737823]

TWU wages are higher and 401K contribution is better than IAMNPF.

Josh

 

[700UW]

You are clueless, there are way more things in a collective bargaining agreement than just two things. The IAM has better scope, benefits, vacation and many other thirst. So you are wrong once again. So when have worked for US or AA, when have you been an IAM or TWU member?

 

[737823]

You are clueless, there are way more things in a collective bargaining agreement than just two things. The IAM has better scope, benefits, vacation and many other thirst. So you are wrong once again. So when have worked for US or AA, when have you been an IAM or TWU member?

How did Roach sell out US M&R?

Josh

 

[700UW]

See you are wrong and you aren't man enough to admit it nor prove your claims. Want to bring up more things that are 10 years old and don't matter to the topic at hand?

 

[TRAVIS]

Just goes to show how long the IAM has been failing its members.....With PISS POOR CONTACTS.

 

[TRAVIS]

Wake up call ..... Let The IAM Know We Aren't In BK Anymore... So Why The BK Contract. .Looser's..

 

[737823]

Wake up call ..... Let The IAM Know We Aren't In BK Anymore... So Why The BK Contract. .Looser's..

We will keep hearing the bankruptcy excuse from 700 and the IAM err the alliance for the next decade at least...afterall no other airline filed twice is less than two years.

Josh

 

[NYer]

 
While you are free to disagree, it is the truth.  The examples are numerous including the one I happen to be living.
 
UAL & CAL merged in 2010. We are one airline now, and we are represented by one union, the teamsters.
 
We (The Mechanics) do NOT have a JCBA at UAL, therefore, the sUAL mechanics still work under our own agreement, and sCAL mechanics work under their own agreement.
 
Until you have a JCBA, nothing will change, just as it hasn't changed for the mechanics at UAL
 
 
 
As to the rest of your question, I have no real idea of what sort of language would survive or not survive a JCBA, that is something for the combined membership to decide. I submit that as AA clearly out numbers US mechanics, that their wishes would hold sway.
 
I do find it odd that in your response to me above you clearly paint the IAM as an organization that cannot be trusted to carry out the will of the majority at the new AA with this statement ...
 
 
So you rally against those seeking a democratic vote of the membership and clearly fear what the IAM will do/what you'll lose if they are the conquering union, yet you have no problem advocating for an Alliance with this same IAM that you fear, and wish to do so without the say of said membership.

 
And the biggest changes taking place in the UAL/CO merger is coming from the CO side. When you have two side fighting for one thing, it is rare to have benefits coming to both sides. With the Associations it is more probable to keep positives from each CBA and to co-exist. As an example, with the Association it is more probable they keep their IAMPF and we keep the 401K.

 

[NYer]

Who says they have to lose the IAMPF? The IAM says so not us. If the intent is to allow TWU members through the Association to become members of the IAMPF then why couldn't they allow cuurent IAM members who are in the IAMPF to remian part of the IAMPF and contribute $2/hr until they retire? You know, once a member always a member, even the company sponsored Credit Union allows that.
 
In other words you are advoacting that we all put our pensions and future contracts at risk and allow the IAM to have control of our representation for the next two years to stop the IAM from doing something that could harm their own people? If their members want to keep their IAMPF fine, I have no problem with that, I'm sure AA has no problem with that as it means less of a layout for them, but thats between them and the IAM. Its absurd to think that we should submit to allowing them to represent us because if we dont they will punish their own members. We would have to be nuts to want to have anything to do with such an organization.

 
I guess you believe if you keep saying it, it must be true. The IAM does NOT have control over your representation for the next two years.
 
And your characterization of what I believe is also completely of the mark.

 

[whoop whoop]

Nyer, I am curious where you get your information from? It is so far from reality. The UA/CO merger actually has more changes on the UAL side. The teamsters basically carbon copied sCAL inferior contract and applied it to UAL. SFO just lost the rotating days where all had a piece of weekends to fixed days off where the highest few get to enjoy weekends with their families.
 
sCAL really has had no changes. Oh wait, sCAL took UALs jumpseat policy for A&P's. What is the policy you ask? NO JUMPSEAT!! So, the teamsters have applied and let the new UAL apply the worst of either side.
 
And, what makes you say it is more probable for the association to keep the positives from both sides? The teamsters are one entity and couldn't do it. What information do you have to show 2 different entities could or would keep the best from both sides? And, what makes you think the new AA would let you keep the best from both sides? From what I see, AA has walked over both unions with ease.
 
So please show us your information to let us see what you are looking at.

 

[Duke787]

Nyer, I am curious where you get your information from? It is so far from reality. The UA/CO merger actually has more changes on the UAL side. The teamsters basically carbon copied sCAL inferior contract and applied it to UAL. SFO just lost the rotating days where all had a piece of weekends to fixed days off where the highest few get to enjoy weekends with their families.
 
sCAL really has had no changes. Oh wait, sCAL took UALs jumpseat policy for A&P's. What is the policy you ask? NO JUMPSEAT!! So, the teamsters have applied and let the new UAL apply the worst of either side.
 
And, what makes you say it is more probable for the association to keep the positives from both sides? The teamsters are one entity and couldn't do it. What information do you have to show 2 different entities could or would keep the best from both sides? And, what makes you think the new AA would let you keep the best from both sides? From what I see, AA has walked over both unions with ease.
 
So please show us your information to let us see what you are looking at.

What is sad is that the IBT contract is much better then the TWU contract.

 

[Real tired]

 
And the biggest changes taking place in the UAL/CO merger is coming from the CO side. When you have two side fighting for one thing, it is rare to have benefits coming to both sides. With the Associations it is more probable to keep positives from each CBA and to co-exist. As an example, with the Association it is more probable they keep their IAMPF and we keep the 401K.

A few of your posts made a little sense, until I got to this one.
 
If you think that in a few months, that we have the same uniform, the same ID badge, working in the same station, on the same nasty tire change on a cold winter night, and you're going to have a nice 401K, and I'm going to be stuck with the IAMNPF, you are delusional and wacko.
 
Not going to happen.  I won't let it.
 
I want what you got, or you going to get stuck with mine.  That's what an alliance is all about.