TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[Vortilon]

If AMFA had widespread support it would at the very least been able to get enough cards to call for a vote, but it hasn't. That being the case, spare the theatrics.

 
 
Who says AMFA doesn't have enough cards?  Why would I want to spare you anything?  I was posting on this BB long before you, and will be on here long after you and the rest of your TWU international parasites are kicked to the curb. 

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

 
 
Who says AMFA doesn't have enough cards?  Why would I want to spare you anything?  I was posting on this BB long before you, and will be on here long after you and the rest of your TWU international parasites are kicked to the curb. 

 
Vortilion
 
The questions that needs to be answered do the Organizers have the required number of cards that the NMB will require if the NMB rules against this Association?
 
1. Do the Lead Organizers in Dallas feel it is important to let you know? If not then why?
 
2. Will the lead Organizers tell you if you ask them?
 
3. Why at this Point haven't they said they have 50% at AA and still working on US?
 
4. Why haven't mechanics who have signed cards previously for yrs not got into this drive to insure its chance of ousting the TWU? Will we be ready this time?
 
5. Why are the numbers not known by all so that our hopes won't be dashed as they come up with an excuse. Or are they just planning on a write in?
 
6. Why do the title 2 mechanics not care enough about the future of our class and craft?
 
7. Why aren't the Tulsa Mechanics signing cards, the TWU screwed them for yrs and the IBT did so last yr, the AMFA supporters told them, yet Tulsa still won't get on board?
 
8. Why in general won't the mechanics get involved in their career enough to do the research rather than have certain few pass on information and tell them what to do?
 
9. Why is the IGM attitude more prevalent at AA than any other airline?
 
10 Why since the TWU has taken so much from us do so many still believe that things will change?  

 

[comatose]

 
What is left to sacrifice? For someone like yourself, I suspect it is the very things you seem to take for granted today.

The very thing I did today was work my second job.
 
Suspect? You better stick with the word sacrifice.
 
It's the very word you know all too well.

 

[NYer]

There should be no fight. The TWU is the larger group. The TWU walked away at America West when they merged with USAIR in 2005. This time the IAM should man up and do the same. Again why did they walk away without a fight in 2001'from TWA? It's clear they don't want to lose dues payers, nothing more nothing less.
Josh

That doesn't seem to be an option and I'm sure their Members, for the most part, don't agree.

 

[NYer]

Who says AMFA doesn't have enough cards?  Why would I want to spare you anything?  I was posting on this BB long before you, and will be on here long after you and the rest of your TWU international parasites are kicked to the curb. 

I guess time will tell about the cards.

It is good to see we can have differing opinions without getting personal. We wouldn't want everyone to believe that you must agree with everyone in order to participate.

 

[737823]

I don't care about the USAIR IAM people losing IAMNPF, it is wrong the TWU is imposing this on the AA membership. No one ever asked for this BS alliance and it's unclear if the membership will even get to vote on it.

Josh

 

[NYer]

I don't care about the USAIR IAM people losing IAMNPF, it is wrong the TWU is imposing this on the AA membership. No one ever asked for this BS alliance and it's unclear if the membership will even get to vote on it.
Josh

That's interesting. On the one hand the IAM should man up and walk away, they should walk away. On the other hand, you don't care about the IAM Members losing the IAMPF.

Well, as long as you get what you want....everyone else should just comply. I guess that makes sense somewhere to someone.

 

[Bob Owens]

Who says they have to lose the IAMPF? The IAM says so not us. If the intent is to allow TWU members through the Association to become members of the IAMPF then why couldn't they allow cuurent IAM members who are in the IAMPF to remian part of the IAMPF and contribute $2/hr until they retire? You know, once a member always a member, even the company sponsored Credit Union allows that.
 
In other words you are advoacting that we all put our pensions and future contracts at risk and allow the IAM to have control of our representation for the next two years to stop the IAM from doing something that could harm their own people? If their members want to keep their IAMPF fine, I have no problem with that, I'm sure AA has no problem with that as it means less of a layout for them, but thats between them and the IAM. Its absurd to think that we should submit to allowing them to represent us because if we dont they will punish their own members. We would have to be nuts to want to have anything to do with such an organization.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
OK, I don't agree, but let's say your correct. . And as the IAM as your negotiating agent how much of the current TWU CBA do you believe would survive in the JCBA. Do you contend it will stay the same? Do you believe the TWU language would survive when there is no one advocating on our behalf. Surely, you don't expect benevolence on the past of the conquering union.... and even if you do, what is the upside of taking that chance.

 
While you are free to disagree, it is the truth.  The examples are numerous including the one I happen to be living.
 
UAL & CAL merged in 2010. We are one airline now, and we are represented by one union, the teamsters.
 
We (The Mechanics) do NOT have a JCBA at UAL, therefore, the sUAL mechanics still work under our own agreement, and sCAL mechanics work under their own agreement.
 
Until you have a JCBA, nothing will change, just as it hasn't changed for the mechanics at UAL
 
 
 
As to the rest of your question, I have no real idea of what sort of language would survive or not survive a JCBA, that is something for the combined membership to decide. I submit that as AA clearly out numbers US mechanics, that their wishes would hold sway.
 
I do find it odd that in your response to me above you clearly paint the IAM as an organization that cannot be trusted to carry out the will of the majority at the new AA with this statement ...
 

 
Surely, you don't expect benevolence on the past of the conquering union.

 
So you rally against those seeking a democratic vote of the membership and clearly fear what the IAM will do/what you'll lose if they are the conquering union, yet you have no problem advocating for an Alliance with this same IAM that you fear, and wish to do so without the say of said membership.

 

[737823]

That's interesting. On the one hand the IAM should man up and walk away, they should walk away. On the other hand, you don't care about the IAM Members losing the IAMPF.
Well, as long as you get what you want....everyone else should just comply. I guess that makes sense somewhere to someone.

By law they will not lose the vested contributions. 700 keeps lying and telling people the pension will be "gone", not true. Future contributions will cease but they will not lose what is already vested.

Josh

 

[700UW]

You are the one who is lying I never said what they have vested will be gone I have states numerous times no further accruals will happen if they are no longer in the IAM.

And why is just a so called passenger so interested in the unions at the new AA? You aren't an IAM member nor a TWU member you do t work under either cba and the U.S. IAM CBA is vastly superior to the chapter 11 TWU CBA,

 

[737823]

You are the one who is lying I never said what they have vested will be gone I have states numerous times no further accruals will happen if they are no longer in the IAM.
And why is just a so called passenger so interested in the unions at the new AA? You aren't an IAM member nor a TWU member you do t work under either cba and the U.S. IAM CBA is vastly superior to the chapter 11 TWU CBA,

Prove the IAM agreement is better, cost out every single article. TWU wages are superior and their 401k contribution costs the company more than IAMNPF. Yes you do keep lying and saying the pension will be gone.

Josh

 

[toroshark]

You are the one who is lying I never said what they have vested will be gone I have states numerous times no further accruals will happen if they are no longer in the IAM.
And why is just a so called passenger so interested in the unions at the new AA? You aren't an IAM member nor a TWU member you do t work under either cba and the U.S. IAM CBA is vastly superior to the chapter 11 TWU CBA,

Do you work for the new American airlines?

 

[737823]

Do you work for the new American airlines?

He has been separated from USAIR since 2005 when he was last a stock clerk and served on the bankruptcy negotiations (give away) committee. He ushered in concessions and then left.

Josh

 

[700UW]

He has been separated from USAIR since 2005 when he was last a stock clerk and served on the bankruptcy negotiations (give away) committee. He ushered in concessions and then left.

Josh

How many times are you going to lie?
 
We have been over and over and over this, the NC at that time NEVER reached an agreement our CBA was abrogated and the judge forced the vote on the final offer the company proposed.
 
So when were you an IAM member, or a TWU member and worked for AA or US under the Mechanic and related class and craft?
 
When are you going to come clean?