TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[OldGuy@AA]

 
Work OT?? I guess you could say I do. On Thursday I got to LGA at 0430, and left there at 2300. But I'm not paid OT for that. 
 
Wrong about 1167? Wrong about BK? Wrong about the RLA? How so? 
 
You support the authoritarian culture of the IAM where the Union tells the members what they want.  I don't, I feel that we are adults and can make our own decisions, what we should expect from our Union is accurate information and a plan to make things better, not be in full retreat for 15 years with no plan to recover what was lost.   
 
I support having recall in the bylaws. Serving as an officer in the union is a privilege not a right or entitlement earned by mindlessly supporting every decision made by the unions bosses. 
 
I support transparency and accountability.  We post the full spreadsheet from Quickbooks on our website so our members can review the finances when ever they want. If they want more detail such as viewing receipts and individual expense reports all they have to do is contact their section chairman and we can set up an online meeting where we do a screen share so they can see what they want. Does your IAM make Financial reports available at any time to the members or can they only look at them at the Union hall? 
 
I support the truth, you support withholding information and misleading people in order to get them to vote a way they would not vote if they had all the facts. Throwing out that other associations have been put in place but leaving out the fact that the two unions put it to a membership vote first. 
 
I support democracy. Thats why we have on line voting on motions and elections. Not like the IAM where members have to run a gauntlet to vote. We recognize that most of our members need multiple sources of income which restricts their ability to participate. In some votes we have had in excess of 90% participation.  
 
We have incorporated many of the things that our members say they want, things that AMFA has, in Local 591. Things that make sense. Things that don't make sense we left out. We remain far from being an organization with the structure required to negotiate an industry leading contract, there are still deep structural flaws and we have been trying to get those flaws corrected. Flaws that are unique to the AATD and not systemic to the TWU as a whole. The IAM is more deeply flawed than the TWU AATD. Those flaws may be tolerable when the leadership gets good contracts, but they blew it big time by rolling over and giving the company a concessionary deal with bottom of the industry wages and ZERO profit sharing EIGHT years after exiting BK, 12 years after first giving concessions in BK. 
 
Do many of the values we put into 591 coincide with why many of our members say they want AMFA? Yes. Does that make me a closet AMFA supporter?  Not anymore than your support and unquestioning obedience makes you a fascist. So, are you a fascist because you support absolute obedience and support of the IAM hierarchy? Republicans called Roosevelt a closet Communist because he pushed through labor laws and Social security and bank reforms. Maybe it was simply the right thing to do, just like recall, transparency, democracy etc. For some reason those things are heresy to you. 
 
My peers elected me to do what I've been doing, trying to fix this organization,  we have made a little progress, the Alliance would be a huge setback. If I get to the point where I feel we can't make any more progress then I'd quit and maybe support something else. Being in the TWU is a means to an end, that end being getting a good contract. I'm a mechanic first, being a TWU member/officer is a result of me being hired by AA before UAL called. I was a mechanic before I became a TWU member and if I left AA I'd still be a mechanic but no longer a TWU member. Fixing the Union means getting it to get us good contracts. One of the reasons why I'm against this Alliance is because it takes two deeply flawed organizations,  the two worst contracts in the industry for mechanics, and creates a two headed monster with Zero accountability to the members. Trying to fix one organization is hard, trying to fix two at the same time is simply not worth the effort, we would be better off to seek representation elsewhere than accept the Alliance. This bullshit of you will pay dues to us but the contract belongs to the Alliance thats staffed with people you don't get to pick is completely unacceptable. 

As I said before, I wish Bob Owens would come to Tulsa and represent us with local 514.  What would it take Bob?  For some reason our local in Tulsa is all for this alliance.  This is one of those times where their loyalty to the international trumps the loyalty to the membership.  

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

As I said before, I wish Bob Owens would come to Tulsa and represent us with local 514.  What would it take Bob?  For some reason our local in Tulsa is all for this alliance.  This is one of those times where their loyalty to the international trumps the loyalty to the membership.  

I would vote for him (as I have said before).  I wonder if I can still vote since I have recall....... :blink:

 

[Kev3188]

So your saying , if DL went AMFA, I would not be forced to join, in order to retain employment?

Why would you allow anyone to "force" you to do anything? You'll either choose to join, choose to be a dues objector, choose to transfer to a position not covered by a CBA, or choose to separate from Dl altogether. Either way, you pick...

Noticed, you never mentioned AMFA, in your post, though you did manage to bash the union who opposes yours, what gives?

 
Jesus...
 
I mentioned the AMFA in the *very* post you just quoted. 
 
And no, I'm not wedded to any specific name on the door. What I will continue to push for is whichever organization (and it's structure) is best suited to advance the interests of not only it's members, but Working Class America as a whole.

 

[AA-MRO.COM]

  For some reason our local in Tulsa is all for this alliance.

 
YOU CANT FIX STUPID

 

[MetalMover]

 For some reason our local in Tulsa is all for this alliance.  This is one of those times where their loyalty to the international trumps the loyalty to the membership.  

Let me guess, the TWU is walking around the base claiming that the alliance will end the outsourcing, bring more and more work in house, extend the IAM pension fund to TWU members, get more holidays and at double time, etc,etc,etc...followed by "WE'LL GET EM NEXT TIME, WE ARE REAL POWERFUL NOW, NO WAY WILL THEY MESS WITH US ANYMORE......
I can just picture the rhetoric they are spewing there in TULE to drum up support for this BS alliance.

 

[iluvaa]

Ding ding ding you got it

 

[Rogallo]

Dee Dee Dee!

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Let me guess, the TWU is walking around the base claiming that the alliance will end the outsourcing, bring more and more work in house, extend the IAM pension fund to TWU members, get more holidays and at double time, etc,etc,etc...followed by "WE'LL GET EM NEXT TIME, WE ARE REAL POWERFUL NOW, NO WAY WILL THEY MESS WITH US ANYMORE......
I can just picture the rhetoric they are spewing there in TULE to drum up support for this BS alliance.

Actually they are saying that getting into the IAM pension is a great thing and that if AMFA comes in the line guys will let AA outsource all overhaul.  They are also saying the alliance is a very good thing.  As you know too well, the leadership at local 514 tells the sheep what they want to hear.  If this alliance happens in a year from now the same guys will be telling everyone they voted for it.

 

[Rogallo]

If it actually comes to a vote hopefully there aren't enough votes in Tulsa anymore to keep passing this kind of crap!

 

[iluvaa]

If it actually comes to a vote hopefully there aren't enough votes in Tulsa anymore to keep passing this kind of crap!

if it comes to a legit vote it will fail in TUL

 

[MetalMover]

Actually they are saying that getting into the IAM pension is a great thing and that if AMFA comes in the line guys will let AA outsource all overhaul.  They are also saying the alliance is a very good thing.  As you know too well, the leadership at local 514 tells the sheep what they want to hear.  If this alliance happens in a year from now the same guys will be telling everyone they voted for it.

Yea and knowing the TWU, they will agree to give up the company 401k match in exchange for the IAM pension which WE WILL FUND!
I am truly amazed that anyone still trusts the TWU, let alone ANY benefits they claim from the BS alliance.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Yea and knowing the TWU, they will agree to give up the company 401k match in exchange for the IAM pension which WE WILL FUND!
I am truly amazed that anyone still trusts the TWU, let alone ANY benefits they claim from the BS alliance.  There will be enough votes in Tulsa to carry one more contract but they will vote in more outsourcing and that will kill Tulsa. 

Word on the floor is that the alliance will be looking for the money and they will give away even more benefits to get it.  There will be enough votes in Tulsa to carry one more contract.  After that the outsourcing will kill Tulsa and with the A25 test there will be nobody bumping because nobody will pass the test.  

 

[BigMac]

Bob, you made it awfully quiet in here. Your posts were spot on.

 

[bigjets]

if it comes to a legit vote it will fail in TUL

It's sad that we have to question if we get an actual legit vote.

 

[TRAVIS]

I would vote for him (as I have said before).  I wonder if I can still vote since I have recall....... :blink:

I've seen dead guys on the IAM vote lists before, So why not... LOL