TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

Will you vote in a TWU and IAM representation alliance? (A/C maint. only)


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WeAAsles said:
I don't care if you people want to live in your own little world here on this forums page. And I also don't care if you don't want me here or not. Tough luck.

Here's your reality. The AMFA drive is breathing fumes and you all know it. By last estimates you're 2000 cards short. But that doesn't matter because you guys are going to do everything to put in the stall to try and get those cards. Ain't happening now, hasn't happened in the last 20 years and isn't going to happen in my lifetime.

And you can start as many threads as you want and attach your little (maintenance only) stickers on there just like the water fountain that says "Whites Only" or "Coloreds to the Rear" You can obviously tell that I don't give a whoop.
 
WeAAsles
 
The total number of cards collected is known only by a few, the number we are short you are quoting is just a guess on your part or a feeler to get some one to post the actual number.
 
You would have to be in the inner circle to get the actual numbers even then there is a fudge factor, so that just in case the TWU and AA will not know just how close or far away we are.
The keeper of the data base in Dallas is the only one who can give an upto date count since cards come in every day.
 
It's a bit offensive that you would post the quote you did on racial bias. You are an AA employee and a shop steward as well correct. Is that your train of thought toward your fellow employees? 
 
700UW said:
AA still has to fund the frozen pensions, they have to make up the shortfalls.
Nobody has ever claimed otherwise.
 
Had AA been allowed to terminate them instead (had Josh Gotbaum not gotten his way), then new AA would be freed from the requirement to shovel billions of dollars into the pensions to make up those shortfalls.   
 
WeAAsles (and a couple of others) mistakenly posted that it was a good thing that AA has to spend that money and even asserted (incorrectly) that frozen pensions meant they would get more upon retirement than with terminated pensions.  After initially "correcting" me on that point (your "correction was wrong), even you later admitted that your pension would be the same when you begin collecting, frozen or terminated doesn't make a difference.  Generally, pilots are the only ones affected by a termination v freeze.      
 
Money spent by AA to fund the frozen pensions is money that AA does not have to spend on other things, like Employee Wages and Benefits.   UA terminated all of its pensions (just like US did), so UA doesn't have that ongoing demand on its cash.   DL terminated its pilot pension (the biggest problem) and froze the others.   CO froze all of their pensions long ago, and they don't require much cash.  
 
toroshark said:
Another question. How is it fair that the TWU a vast majority of members to be represented by this alliance but only an equal amount of members in the alliance? Seems like the majority is getting short changed a little doesn't it?
Toro Shark
 
Once the merger is complete having the equal number of IAM vs TWU would be fair since we all would be represented by the Association.
 
The only way to keep the negotiating committee from being split is to vote NO for the Association. If you are in the maintenance class and craft sign an AMFA card so we can attempt to bring AMFA here and not have either the TWU or IAM to worry about.
 
To get the answer you want you would have to ask the IAM/TWU leadership above the Local level, or District Lodge level at the IAM.  ( How the tie would be broken? )
 
Flying low said:
Must be a boring concert, if your posting on this board while your at the concert....
Probably just listening to an 8-track of Deep Purple in his car (while on the clock).   :D
 
AMFAinMIAMI said:
 
WeAAsles
 
The total number of cards collected is known only by a few, the number we are short you are quoting is just a guess on your part or a feeler to get some one to post the actual number.
 
So my question is, pertaining to unions, whether it's the TWU, IAM or AMFA, shouldn't this all be readily available information,"Any Time" and conducted transparently, to "ALL" this affects?
 
southwind said:
So my question is, pertaining to unions, whether it's the TWU, IAM or AMFA, shouldn't this all be readily available information,"Any Time" and conducted transparently, to "ALL" this affects?
Yes.
 
AMFAinMIAMI said:
 
WeAAsles
 
It's a bit offensive that you would post the quote you did on racial bias. You are an AA employee and a shop steward as well correct. Is that your train of thought toward your fellow employees? 
Concerts over, great show actually. Not a shop steward, just a clerk. Don't know why I have to keep saying that, lol.

And uh yea that is my thought on some of my fellow employees. Elitism doesn't have to be only about skin color if someone thinks they're better than you for whatever silly reason they have in their minds. Some people make it blazingly obvious from what they say and write sometimes.

C'mon AMFA man don't kid me here. :wacko:
 
FWAAA said:
Probably just listening to an 8-track of Deep Purple in his car (while on the clock).   :D
 
 
Right, my guess would be a Prius with the requisite rainbow sticker, and the athiests all time favorite: "dog is my copilot".
 
Off topic but interesting information.

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http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/08/31/heres-why-general-electric-company-is-putting-bill.aspx
 
700UW said:
What is up with the misinformation?
 
The IAM was not negotiating with AA, they were negotiating with US Airways the 5th largest carrier in the US.  The companies are not merged and the IAM was in negotiations for almost three years with US, not AA.
 
US did not make $1.5 Billion in profits, that would be AAG which owns both AA and US.
 
Bob you know better.
 
And the IAM took the path the members wanted, they wanted a bridge agreement then a JCBA.
Dont let the facts get in you way.
The members wanted bottom of the industry with no profit sharing?   You know better, more like the members had no faith in the leaderships ability to get industry standard. Thats why we want nothing to do with the IAM. 
 
Vortilon said:
 
 
Right, my guess would be a Prius with the requisite rainbow sticker, and the athiests all time favorite: "dog is my copilot".
Mustang Convertible with a Kenwood audio system and Rockford Fosgate speakers actually. And a separate I-Pod dock. No stickers. I like my car too much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3SAqGy8wGM
 
Bob Owens said:
The members wanted bottom of the industry with no profit sharing?   You know better, more like the members had no faith in the leaderships ability to get industry standard. Thats why we want nothing to do with the IAM. 
And yet you dont admit you didnt post the truth.
 
700UW said:
You are lying again, everyone knows the reality of what happened, the TWU and the APFA went back on their agreements, and the TWU and the IAM went to arbitration, you know this, its the Kasher Decision and the IAM spent over $5 million on the FAs to fight their battle and by law the IAM didnt have to do that.
 
But keep up the lies.
Wrong, I was there. Were you? Sito Pantoyja and Ed LeClair came to Nashville to meet all the Presidents, they made it clear that since the International left it up to them, which they said all along they would do, that their answer is "Stapled". Then it went to Kasher. The IAM had agrred to waive their successorship clause as a condition of getting full value for monies owed to the IAMPF and the IAM owned engine.
 
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