Tulsa AMT movement.

[700UW]

With the latest class and craft ruling from the NMB, Stores are no longer with us either.
 
But ask anyone of them what they think about this, and they'll look at you like your speaking Chinese.  None of them have a clue about what just happened.  And why?  The union isn't telling them.

In 2006 the NMB gave Stores its own certification, but they are still under the M&R CBA and was in last years new CBA, they still vote on it, now didnt they?
 
Stores does not have its own CBA at PMUS.

 

[Buck]

 
 
I hope you know that under the TWU, stores is not in the Title one agreement.

YET!

 

[1AA]

Well I see another thread has gone it's useful end. Can we get back on topic? Tulsa AMT discussion I believe was the topic of discussion.

 

[Shafted]

Date of hire for everything! 
 
I've been with the company longer then you, you, or you. I get first pick.
 
Why do we need, like, 8 different seniorities?
 
Just asking!

So an AMT has 35 years company time, the first 33 years were as a bag smasher and the next 2 were as an AMT(33company/2 occ), You think it would be fair for him to bid his days off and shift before a guy with 30+ years occ?
 
Date of hire only gets you VC! Occupation should rule all other bids!     

 

[Shafted]

So that premium day shift, weekends off Lead job comes open and a mechanic with 40 years seniority, who has never been a lead, gets the bid over a guy who has been a lead for 39 years?

WTF?

Quagmire!!! I think this would suck, but not suck as bad as my example! 
OCC time/Classification Sen. should rule!!!!!

 

[AANOTOK]

So an AMT has 35 years company time, the first 33 years were as a bag smasher and the next 2 were as an AMT(33company/2 occ), You think it would be fair for him to bid his days off and shift before a guy with 30+ years occ?
 
Date of hire only gets you VC! Occupation should rule all other bids!     

Coming from a "bag smasher" I agree with you. A guy changing light bulbs for thirty years should definitely bid days off and shift before a former bag smasher turned bulb changer with less then thirty years bulb changing occ sen.

 

[Rogallo]

So an AMT has 35 years company time, the first 33 years were as a bag smasher and the next 2 were as an AMT(33company/2 occ), You think it would be fair for him to bid his days off and shift before a guy with 30+ years occ?
 
Date of hire only gets you VC! Occupation should rule all other bids!     

 
Yes. He has more company time.
 
DOH only gets you vacation. Why?
 
Shouldn't the amount of time you've spent with a company
entitle you to better shifts and days off then someone with less company time?
Why? Because you've changed jobs?

 

[chilokie1]

Today the engine shop managers from around the system had a town hall
meeting in Tulsa and a Q&A session after. Did anybody happen 
to get any positive news from any of the meetings? 

 

[bikeguy]

Question for the AA guys.
If a person works in Planning or MOC for lets say 20 years and they want to bid a Mechanic position do they keep their full 20 years seniority or do they go to the bottom of the mechanics list when bidding for days off?
Here at US Airways the mechanics are always on the bottom of the priority. For example if a mechanic bids a MOC or planner position they go to the BOTTOM of the list when bidding for days off. When an MOC guy bids back to the floor he keeps all his time.
The reason I ask is we have people in PIT that don't want to move to DFW so they are bidding back to the floor, and we got people with 25 years that have never touched an Aircraft not had any schools and can't sign an airworthy release.
I noticed that on the AA title 1 list you got OSM and cleaners. We do maintain a separate list for the Utility classification. If they cross over after getting an A&P ticket they do go to the bottom of the Mechanics list.
I was talking about this with several of my co-workers and we are wondering how this is going to play out once we get a JCBA.
Any thoughts?

 

[BigMac]

If a mechanic bids a planner job (at AA planners are not union). You have so many days to come back to a mechanic position. However if you go over the time frame you lose all you mechanic classification time but maintain your company time. I've seen mechanics mpr into planning and accidentally went over their hours. They were booted from the mechanics position and out of the union. You can come back but only if they want you. A&PS, welders,, Platers,OSMs and cleaner are title 1. But all have different payscales and some have skill premiums/license premium. As of now our Facilities Maintenance Mechanics are almost paid the same as an A&P mechanic in a different title.

 

[700UW]

The planners have been accredited into the association.

 

[bikeguy]

I was told that your (AA) MOC loses day for day seniority.
If a 5 year mechanic goes to MOC and works there for 5 years and wants to come back to the floor, he comes back with 5 years seniority.
That is a true statement?

 

[Rogallo]

All the more reason to argue for DOH for everything.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I was told that your (AA) MOC loses day for day seniority.
If a 5 year mechanic goes to MOC and works there for 5 years and wants to come back to the floor, he comes back with 5 years seniority.
That is a true statement?

Another thing to consider is what does "lose day for day" actually mean.
 
Does that just mean you stop accumulating seniority when you start the new position or does it mean you actually literally lose a day of seniority. If the later is true you are actually losing 2 days of seniority for every day in the new position (the day you did not accumulate and the day that was taken away so your five year mechanic would actually have 0 days seniority).
 
I would definitely ask a UNION officer how that works and have him verify what he says by pointing it out in the contract book.

 

[iluvaa]

Yep that's how it works