Tulsa AMT movement.
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MetalMover
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Not under the IAM/US agreement. If you have 30 years occupational seniority and today get awarded a cc position today, your cc seniority will start TODAY.Slopoke said:
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Real tired said:
MetalMover said:
I don't work under the IAM agreement, I am AA. I know how it works with you at US Airways and we do it differently. We are going to have a train wreck either way. I don't have a clue as to how the "Association" is going to solve this problem. But like I said, it's gonna piss of some folks.
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I'm AA. And you are right this will be a train wreck. The crew chief at AA will lose his cc time because at AA it IS his occupational.Slopoke said:
How about this angle.....For the IAM people, if it were to change to the TWU/AA way, you would pick up a ton of cc/lead time, No?
MetalMover said:
In a perfect world, maybe. In that scenario, you will have some really pissed off US Airways folks. Now if we adopt the IAM method of classification seniority, will the AA side have to adjust the classification seniority to when they actually were awarded the bid? We will have to ride this cluster puck out and hopefully it all ends semi well.
FLYNFISH said:
It's not company hire date. It's occupational, like AMT or Fleet Service. I know quite a few people that came over to maintenance from stores, airfreight and the ramp, their occupational started when they switched title groups. I've known a few aircraft exterior cleaners that got their A&P licenses and became AMTs, their occupational seniority carried over because they were in the same title group as mechanics. I had one in my new hire orientation, he had 30+ years as a aircraft cleaner, after his probation he was on day shift with weekends off, pay progression started from scratch but it was more than he was making as a aircraft cleaner.
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Actually, I have a lot more time than that. I was just using an example because I thought you were using an example.MetalMover said:
Now you guys know how I felt when I lost my senority base flight benefits.
It's going to be a train wreck for sure with lots of unhappy "yes" voters.
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So unfair in my eyes.Slopoke said:
The majority of FSC works either days or afternoons, the majority of line maint works nights. So back when we had FSCs as Presidents representing line mechanics shift differential was a non issue. We ended up with the lowest shift differentials in the country.AANOTOK said:
YES!!! Seniority is everything. The day you are hired at SWA as a mechanic you carry that date with you throughout. If you hired in and have 1 year, you carry that 1 yr where you bid. Leads, inspection, MC, ect...700UW said:
Now you guys are getting what I have been saying. YES It will be a train wreck when it finally comes to light. The final question about ALL of this is, which way will this ASSociation pick? There are many other areas where this same problem will happen. One contract says to do things one way, and the other says to do it another way. Where all these items are in the differences in the 2 contracts will be a huge factor and drug out for a long time. You guys need to compare the 2 contracts word for word to figure out all the differences and see how big this really is.Slopoke said:
One person has asked if a 30 year man could be bumped by a 5 year man; YES (IAM contract) A mechanic that has 30 years and became cc just 1 year ago could very easily be bumped by a 5 yr mech that has been cc for 2 years. Why because it's class seniority and not date of hired in the mechanic class. Everyone should be able to carry their seniority everywhere they go PERIOD. Why take seniority from anyone? That should not happen, period... Pay attention guys, this will get ugly for you all trying to come to a JCBA----Just a friendly warning, look into it, get information on what this ASSociation is planning to do about these items. It will be a MAJOR factor when the vote comes. But the typical TWU/IAM way is to hide all this info from you guys until it's vote time and then give you 1 day to post your vote or 2 weeks only to rush thru a vote. I have been trying to get this across to you guys for some time now and it looks like you guys are now finally getting the idea. Look into it and get all the info about ALL "seniority" integration before voting. Good luck...
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Its not taking seniority from anyone. The mechanic that has 30 years as a basic never worked a day as a lead would be senior to a guy who has 25 years as a lead and say 29 as a mechanic, explain how that is fair when the guy with 29 years has been working as a lead for 25 years while the 30 year mechanic just bid a lead job and has zero lead time?
700UW said:
Because that's the way we've had it at AA, we're used to it that way. We never had classification seniority. I know that the IAM has it in the contract so for US Airways folks that's the norm. All of the current crew chiefs, inspectors, tech crew chiefs have their title one occupational as thier classification seniority, are you stating that you would like to have all of them go to date of bid award as thier classification seniority? I doubt if you'll get many yes votes from the AA side if that were in the JCBA.
In a nutshell, it's what system you hired in and worked under. We have things different than you and most are not welcome to a big change like this. You don't think our way is fair and vice versa. Like I said, with this train wreck, someone is going to be pissed off.
