Tulsa AMT movement.

[Slopoke]

Same thing I was told this morning. They were asking why I was signing pattern/work cards and not stamping them. My stamp is on back order. Go figure.

 
Not to change the course of this thread but I'm on the line and I don't use my stamp for anything. Until someone shows me in the GPM, that you have to use the stamp, I'll continue to use my pen. The stamps they gave us are so big, so easily broken, mine stays in my rollaway.

 

[bigjets]

I didn't know that I was a less of an A&P because I don't work on "ACTUAL AIRCRAFT", I don't remember any
extra classes or tests to take so I can work on "ACTUAL AIRCRAFT". I new a few guys who sucked at working
on turbine engines that transferred to line stations, I wonder how they ever made the transformation to working
on "ACTUAL AIRCRAFT"? 
You have been blaming our miserable contract on Tulsa for as long as I have been reading this forum, in a way you
are correct but your blame should be focused on the TWU for deciding that the quantity over the quality of jobs is 
the way to go. 
 I have no doubt when the next contract is signed you will have your Delta plus 7% pay and you will still #### and
complain that it was too little too late. For guys like me who chose to move to Tulsa from high cost cities  because
we felt it was the best move for our families , we will continue to work in our lowly shops for as long as they are still
there. But soon most of us will exit gracefully from AA because we saw the writing on the wall

Let me rephrase that, I have no pity for an A&P mech who is forced out of shop to work in the hangar on an airplane, because they are top quality mechs who are better utilized on aircraft.

Good on you for moving to Tulsa for the life style and for your family.

Tulsa has nobody to blame but themselves for OSMs or whatever they're called now, as the only contracts that have passed have passed because of Tulsa. For those mechs leaving, the writing is definately on the wall, after all AA is making a billion dollars a quarter, clearly a company ready to go under like Eastern, Pan Pam, and TWA. Now if you're talking about TULE future that's another story, looks like that is a different story, and hope AA keeps it open, but with less numbers then line stations, as I'm sick of TULE mind set deciding our contracts.

Closing TULE totally would not be in the best interests of AA, as the amount of talent there cannot be matched at an MRO, as we notice the difference between a Chinese C ck and a TULE C ck. I do like how the Chinese use all Phillips head cam locks rather then TULE's mixture of straight and Phillips heads.

 

[bigjets]

Also was told the TWU/AA/Employees are in a pi$$ing match over seniority, working 4/10s, then back and forth to 5/8s weekend coverage. So AA is taking the stance if employees don't agree with it ..they'll find those that will.

How is there a pissing match about seniority at an AA base? Are you working 4/10s or 5/8s ?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Same thing I was told this morning. They were asking why I was signing pattern/work cards and not stamping them. My stamp is on back order. Go figure. Also today Dewey Bartlett back tracked on the 2025 tax money. He said it wouldn't go toward modifying the hangars for the 737s. He said it would go toward Arkansas river projects.

Maybe Dewey Bartlett knows something about the future we don't.
 
I don't want to cause undue panic but that does not sound very good for TULE.

 

[Buster CRC]

No Dewey donesn't know nothing. He finally saw what the river looked like with water in it for the first time in 10 years so now he wants a low water dam to keep the water in it.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

No Dewey donesn't know nothing. He finally saw what the river looked like with water in it for the first time in 10 years so now he wants a low water dam to keep the water in it.

Yeah...... that's it......  

 

[BigMac]

How is there a pissing match about seniority at an AA base? Are you working 4/10s or 5/8s ?

Lower seniority stuck on working weekends on 4/10s then AA putting then on 5/8s weekend coverage on mids. I'm on 5/8s Sun-Thur. Been on this shift for about 4yrs now. I like my shift and I can move around if I want but prefer not too. I've just seen the lower guys being bumped around alot unwillingly. Knock on wood I have yet to be bumped since at AA. Never worked a Saturday unless I've chosen too for OT

 

[Buck]

Lower seniority stuck on working weekends on 4/10s then AA putting then on 5/8s weekend coverage on mids. I'm on 5/8s Sun-Thur. Been on this shift for about 4yrs now. I like my shift and I can move around if I want but prefer not too. I've just seen the lower guys being bumped around alot unwillingly. Knock on wood I have yet to be bumped since at AA. Never worked a Saturday unless I've chosen too for OT

I do not know where you work but Hangar 1&2  have many senior guys on 44/10 weekends with Wed-Fri off by choice. In fact they fight for it. 

 

[bigjets]

Lower seniority stuck on working weekends on 4/10s then AA putting then on 5/8s weekend coverage on mids. I'm on 5/8s Sun-Thur. Been on this shift for about 4yrs now. I like my shift and I can move around if I want but prefer not too. I've just seen the lower guys being bumped around alot unwillingly. Knock on wood I have yet to be bumped since at AA. Never worked a Saturday unless I've chosen too for OT

 
That's seniority, lower seniority always gets moved around, especially in line stations. Never worked a saturday is exactly why I don't want TULE being the deciding factor in our contracts, but I'm happy for you just the same. Hopefully you will never have to work at an actual airline job. By that I mean 24/7 operation including holidays. 

 

[AANOTOK]

 
That's seniority, lower seniority always gets moved around, especially in line stations. Never worked a saturday is exactly why I don't want TULE being the deciding factor in our contracts, but I'm happy for you just the same. Hopefully you will never have to work at an actual airline job. By that I mean 24/7 operation including holidays. 

In Fleet obviously that is a sacrifice we do have to make. So you folks should understand when we get a bit frustrated when we hear this riding coattail crap...oh, and we do Saturdays as well.

 

[BigMac]

 
That's seniority, lower seniority always gets moved around, especially in line stations. Never worked a saturday is exactly why I don't want TULE being the deciding factor in our contracts, but I'm happy for you just the same. Hopefully you will never have to work at an actual airline job. By that I mean 24/7 operation including holidays. 

Who knows TULE may shut down and give some of us an opportunity to work for an airline. I've had two friends just recently go to the line. They said they love it. But I'm sure like most things the newness will wear off.

 

[bigjets]

Who knows TULE may shut down and give some of us an opportunity to work for an airline. I've had two friends just recently go to the line. They said they love it. But I'm sure like most things the newness will wear off.

 
Here is a troubleshooting trick for you. Look at the seniority of the line mechs, we have all been here a long time, even through the worst of times which has been the last decade. We are all still here, it's a good job and will get much better when we get a new great contract (hopefully)by the end of the year. Have yet to meet a OH mech who doesn't like working the line or can't handle the type of work. 
 
I like the way Seymour says he will give the mechs a chance to work as a line mech before making them test. No reason to lose a lot of talented mechs. 

 

[Buck]

 
Here is a troubleshooting trick for you. Look at the seniority of the line mechs, we have all been here a long time, even through the worst of times which has been the last decade. We are all still here, it's a good job and will get much better when we get a new great contract (hopefully)by the end of the year. Have yet to meet a OH mech who doesn't like working the line or can't handle the type of work. 
I like the way Seymour says he will give the mechs a chance to work as a line mech before making them test. No reason to lose a lot of talented mechs. 

Yes however, there are many in Overhaul who are older, but not near retirement, who may be able to work the line, but could possibly bump those already there. Then there are those who are Crew Chief's who could bump Line Crew Chief's ( what would that look like? ) Be careful what you ask for. I have been here 31 years and even though I have had my battles medically, I could if forced to work the line. The other side is that I am a Crew Chief, are we just supposed ignore our seniority as a mechanic and or a Crew Chief?

 

[Slopoke]

Yes however, there are many in Overhaul who are older, but not near retirement, who may be able to work the line, but could possibly bump those already there. Then there are those who are Crew Chief's who could bump Line Crew Chief's ( what would that look like? ) Be careful what you ask for. I have been here 31 years and even though I have had my battles medically, I could if forced to work the line. The other side is that I am a Crew Chief, are we just supposed ignore our seniority as a mechanic and or a Crew Chief?

 
I hate to throw in a little wrinkle, but if we get in our joint contract the classification seniorities, like inspector, crew chief, etc that USAirway has. It uses the date of entry into that classification, not the occupational date like we now have. In a nutshell, it could affect the seniorities of current AA crew chiefs, should we go that way. I have 86 occupational seniority and the possibility of going to a classification seniority is one big thing stopping me for bidding a crew chief position.

 

[SkydrolJunkie]

 
Have yet to meet a OH mech who doesn't like working the line or can't handle the type of work. 
 

 
Really? I've seen several that have no business working the line!