Tulsa AMT movement.

[Overspeed]

How does UPS IBT scope language factor Mr Economist?

 

[Overspeed]

Sanity check. Looking at the differences between AA and UPS there must be difference in scope and the financial effect of not having to pay pension, benefits, VC, medical, etc... to non-UPS employees doing work on UPS aircraft. So looking at the current TWU seniority list Bob's HC numbers are a bit off (which concerns me since he is the Treasurer and is responsible for making sure we all pay dues).
 
AA has 697 (The 900 Bob quotes must include LUS and they aren't under TWU scope) aircraft according to the Fleet page in Jetnet. TWU seniority list shows there are 6,777 total AMT and CCs as of today. That means AA has a total of 9.7 AMT/CCs per aircraft for Base and Line.
 
Breaking it out further AA Line has 3,199 total AMTs and CCs which shows us AA has a total of 4.6 AMT/CCs per aircraft. For Base there are 3,578 AMT/OSM/CCs for 5.1 per aircraft for overhaul.
 
UPS has 237 mainline aircraft for 1,200 (Bob's number) for a total of 5.1 per aircraft which work what we at AA would call Line work. And UPS has part time aircraft mechanics FYI for example http://jobview.monster.com/UPS-Part-time-Aircraft-Maintenance-Tech-Jackson-Miss-Job-FLOWOOD-MS-US-148809206.aspx?mescoid=4900865001001 Maybe Bob can match that awesome IBT scope provision too.
 
So the net effect of IBT scope language providing for all overhaul to be outsourced is the reduction of 3,248 AA base AMT/OSM/CCs that will need to have their jobs outsourced to get the AA Line AMTs all the stuff Bob has shown where we lag behind UPS mechanics. Or the 591 crew has to fight for getting all 3,248 at risk AA Base mechanics the same pay as the new "like UPS" AMT wage and benefit package.
 
That should be easy for the 591 whiz kids.
 
FYI - All Line TWU including cleaners, TCCs, and QA is 3,423 Bob.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

And those 427 planes are owned, leased and operated by UPS, not outsourced.

And wiki is not a credible source.

 
In this case Wiki is more credible than you
 
The UPS fleet numbers 237 - the rest is chartered.

 

[Overspeed]

UPS site says 237 as well. http://www.pressroom.ups.com/Fact+Sheets/UPS+Fact+Sheet
 
412 additional chartered

 

[Buck]

What are the wages of the Fleet Service, if there is a way to compare, at UPS?

 

[WeAAsles]

What are the wages of the Fleet Service, if there is a way to compare, at UPS?

I would say that we compare to a Driver delivery man. Full time Union job. Comparing years of service in hourly rate they smoke us.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=United_Parcel_Service_(UPS),_Inc./Hourly_Rate

 

[Buck]

I would say that we compare to a Driver delivery man. Full time Union job. Comparing years of service in hourly rate they smoke us.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Employer=United_Parcel_Service_(UPS),_Inc./Hourly_Rate

The Driver who drives the semi's or the delivery drivers? Who must obtain a DOT Health Rating?

 

[WeAAsles]

The Driver who drives the semi's or the delivery drivers? Who must obtain a DOT Health Rating?

Package delivery. CDL class C. The panel trucks.

 

[700UW]

In this case Wiki is more credible than you
 
The UPS fleet numbers 237 - the rest is chartered.

Wrong the numbers I got are right from UPS' 2014 10k.

 

[Buck]

Package delivery. CDL class C. The panel trucks.

Oh....OK

 

[Overspeed]

700UW,
The UPS 2014 Annual Report says 237 UPS owned/leased and 412 chartered (UPS AMTs don't work on these)
 
http://nasdaqomx.mobular.net/nasdaqomx/7/3440/4931/

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Wrong the numbers I got are right from UPS' 2014 10k.

 
From the UPS website RIGHT NOW - 237 jet aircraft and 412 chartered.
 
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/about/facts/worldwide.html
 
You are WRONG.

 

[N617P]

UPS has 1200 line mechanics for 200 aircraft, AA has less than 4000 Lime mechanics for 900 aircraft.  So UPS has more Line mechanics per airplane than AA, 6 vs 4.
 
AA has in total around 6500 A&P mechanics, UPS Automotive and facilities mechanics are in a different contract. So counting OH we have around 7 A&Ps per aircraft to UPS 6.
 
So for 15% more A&Ps per airplane,  we earn around 50% less . 
 
http://www.ajc.com/news/business/ups-aircraft-mechanics-approve-new-contract/nQsKQ/#__federated=1
 
UPS= $50.31 an hour.[/size]
 
AA = $35.22[/size]
 
So using rough approximations from memory:
 
UPS medical is worth around $7000/year more than ours so subtract $3.35 from AA[/size]
 
AA- $31.85[/size]
 
UPS gets more vacation than we do, so subtract another $1.00[/size]
 
AA+ $30.85[/size]
 
UPS gets more Holidays at a Higher rate than we do so subtract another $3.90[/size]
 
AA= $26.98[/size]
 
UPD get shift pay' so subtract 50 cents[/size]
 
AA =$26.48[/size]
UPS gets a better pension than we do rough guess take another $3/hr off ours[/size]
 
AA=$23.48/hr/  [/size]

Apples and Apples, Not Apples to Carrots!!!

The company would give you the UPS Contract in a New York Minute!!!
1/3 of the 1000 AMT's are Part Time! Do You want that in your CBA?
3/4 of the 1000 AMT's go TDY from Thankgiving until Christmas Eve. Ready for a Four Week Road Trip. Do You want that in your CBA?

 

[N617P]

UPS is a package delivery company that uses airplanes. They are Not an airline! The fleet is parked over the weekend. Could you imagine 1000 airplanes that park from Friday until Monday!

 

[700UW]

Plus maintaining a cargo jet is easier and less costly than a passenger jet.