Yea but for how long and them what happens when it shuts down? Where will the heads go? Not sure where the guys will go or what work will replace it. Contractually we really have no assurances to maintain the head count or work when we lose the 757 and MD-80 lines.Flying low said:
Tulsa AMT movement.
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Agreed, but you ask questions that no one can/answer......1AA said:
Recently American was in the press stating they are committed to Tulsa and are spending large sums of money (Millions) to maintain and upgrade the facility. That is good news. I heard nothing of the same for PIT or CLT. So if history repeats itself with the love fest between the TWU and the company what do you think might happen to those bases? PHX has been very quiet. If I were in any of those three stations I would be very concerned of future work going to Tulsa. Lets not forget about MCI and AFW. Both stations were performing rather well. Just beware of promises made to get a contract passed and then they will show you the door.
I actually got to speak with Sean Doyle. I told him our local leadership was getting beat to death with the questions about our pensions being rolled into the IAMNPF and he denied that it will happen and explained why AA wouldn't want to do it and why the TWU wouldn't want to. I asked him for a document signed by Lombardo that guarantees us it will not happen and he said he'd look into it. Needless to say i don't expect any document from him or Lombardo. While answering questions about our lack of industry pay and benefits compared to other groups, he couldn't help but point out we have more AMTs per acft than anyone else "Bar none". I informed him that our own flight attendants number more per acft than anyone else "Bar none" and they seem to have no trouble getting industry leading pay and 9% 401k contributions by the company. I told him it looked to me like they didn't feel the need to take less to keep them all employed. I then asked how many fleet service clerks and stock clerks there were per acft at AA? He didn't answer that question. He got hammered by a few guys about how the TWU always seems able to get the top pay for FS and Stores but never for AMTs. He was also asked about the equity grab by the TWU and said that the stock has been sold and the cash is being invested and so far has made 15% interest. He said at the end of the law suit and after paying all the costs of it we will all get a check.
The most interesting things were the things he claimed to not know. He said he didn't know AA had more flight attendants per acft than anyone else and he also said he didn't know they were getting a 9% 401K contribution by AA without having to match any of it. This should frighten all of us since this guy is leading the AMT negotiations for AA.
The most interesting things were the things he claimed to not know. He said he didn't know AA had more flight attendants per acft than anyone else and he also said he didn't know they were getting a 9% 401K contribution by AA without having to match any of it. This should frighten all of us since this guy is leading the AMT negotiations for AA.
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Why am I not surprised. This is what we get having a fleet service clerk as the Chair of M&R. Sounds like the same tired old twu excuses.
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On the FAs 401k, this is what I've found:OldGuy@AA said:
Current employees will receive automatic 401(k) contributions for 5 years, with no match requirement. Contribution levels as follows: 9.9% age 50 +, 6.75% age 40 50, 5.5% age 39 below. At the conclusion of the 5 year period, all FAs would receive a 3% contribution with up to a 5.5% match.
This is what was proposed, I think that's what the deal is too.
Give me that ALL Day, over anything to do with the IAMNPF.
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You must have got to him before the CAM because he seemed to be in a hurry.. Thanks for enlightening him, although it will probably have no effect as he does what the International executives say. I imagine IF we ever see the equity the international will keep the interest.OldGuy@AA said:
We got him during lunch and he stayed for about 30 minutes. Dale Danker and Gary Yingst were with him along with the poster formerly known as Highspeed Steel and some other executive board members. I thought Danker and Yingst did a great job of making sure there were no more questions before they left. I did feel the need to tell Doyle again that it was apparent the international was going to let the local leadership take the beating over the pension issue. This could have been put to bed long ago and I told him if there was no documented guarantee it would continue. Jay Potter said AMFA was using this to get cards signed and I told him there would be no AMFA threat if AMTs thought the TWU was doing a good job representing them. He really didn't have a response to that. I will tell you that Dale Danker told me personally that he (along with Pike and Peterson) will not allow our pensions to be negotiated away into the IAMNPF. His word is worth much more than Doyle's in my opinion. We'll see. I still think the IAM is going to try to steal our pension. Hopefully Danker, Peterson and Pike can stop it.2ndGENAMT said:
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I would hope the local Presidents will do everything in their power to stop it, This Time! But with this association their is always future negotiations that may be controlled by people not so concerned about OUR futures. The past has shown that Presidents in our Craft & Class have been ineffective in getting a fair stake as far as Title I and this visit without even a heads up on the website is an example of what we can expect.
They are playing the same old game of, we hear your concerns and will not let you down this time, and when the time comes they will send our Representatives down to the corner bar.
To all of you on here, Guests and Members alike it is time to rid ourselves of this type of "Representation" and get one structured more like the Pilots and Attendants!
Sign an AMFA card before it's too late!
They are playing the same old game of, we hear your concerns and will not let you down this time, and when the time comes they will send our Representatives down to the corner bar.
To all of you on here, Guests and Members alike it is time to rid ourselves of this type of "Representation" and get one structured more like the Pilots and Attendants!
Sign an AMFA card before it's too late!
Those are the main reasons why we should sign cards so we as members can have a say in all this. When the members know more facts than the union leaders that is a major problem. We are in big trouble with comments like that.
The bottom line is there would be no AMFA threat if the TWU had been doing their job. It seems to me that since Fleet and Stores are sitting as we speak at industry standard and AMTs are far behind, a case could be made that the TWU has been getting good deals for other groups at the expense of the AMTs. The TWU denies this but does not offer any explanation as to how this disparity is allowed to continue. When pressed about it, the going response is that we have more AMTs per aircraft than anyone else. Since we do more of our own maintenance of course we do. We do more maint. than anyone else because it gives AA a financial incentive obviously. If it didn't our overhaul would have been gone a long time ago. We also told Doyle to get us our seniority rights back so we can tell AA to stuff it and lay us all off and we can go to the station where our seniority will get us. This way any lay off hurts AA since we can go to any station. He talked this up but I wouldn't bet on us getting that since it would not be beneficial to AA. I am just sick and tired of having to fight our own union to try to make them do what we pay them to do. We pay for this representation and we deserve better.
Peterson and the other 5 guys on the TWU side can vote no on giving up the pension and the 6 guys on the IAM side will vote to get it in order to financially preserve their payouts when they retire. So a 6 to 6 tie will be decided by the chair. Who will be a IAM guy overseeing negotiations. If it gets to this point we can kiss our pensions good buy. This is why we need to get those cards signed. All tie breakers will go in favor over the IAM who have 1/4 of the membership compared to the TWU side. Fair my A$$!!
