Tulsa AMT movement.

[Chuck Schalk]

We never had anything like this until we merged with America West.
 
They have a similar classification.  An Interior Mechanic.  There's only a few of them, if any, and they are all base mostly in PHX.
 
Never met one, or talked to one.  Me and my coworkers couldn't tell you what they do.
 
All I know is there is some really messed up interiors on some of those west aircraft.

Delta has interior mechanics and now I am hearing America West brought that with them. This will open the door for sure. Get ready for the Delta plus 7 at a price

 

[Eagle]

I would also like to note I made this post 2 times before and even though it broke NO rules some coward had it deleted. I guess the truth hurts. They rather hide the truth than confront it.[/size]

It keeps getting deleted because it is off topic. Stop reposting it.

If you would like to discuss Right to Work, please start a new thread.

 

[Real tired]

Ever since 1983 the company has attempted and succeeded in creating a Mechanic Sub Culture with the blessing of the TWU. Basically the old guys getting something good at the behest of the new guys coming in. It was A-Scale vs B-Scale and then over the years this progressed until today with a class of of Licensed Mechanics working on part of the aircraft without License compensation. Now, the TWU will tell you that if this was not done, that either the A-Scale would not have received what the did or that the B-Scale would not have ever been hired. The thought that eventually everyone would become a topped out mechanic and get theirs. Selling off the Low Seniority  to compensate the High Seniority, even before they were here. In my opinion this is where the division within the membership of the TWU began, at least during my employment. This same attitude had and has propagated to a division between the Base Maintenance and  the Line Maintenance. Remember that The TWU style of unionism, is to get as many people unionized as possible and this has it's merit. However it also has caused the current stat of affairs whereby we here at AA and unionized by the TWU continually scrape the bottom of the compensation  barrel. Today this separation within Title 1 from AMT to AMTO ( OSM  ) is another dividing factor which the TWU can use to manipulate it's membership. Do not forget that under the same Title 1 you have the AMT's that are Machinist, Welders and others. These groups have directly support everyone else. Having your A&P does not always grant you access to all jobs, at least here at Tulsa. There is and has been internal problems between these units. IT would be rare if any of us could come to an agreement. This is probably why we still have the union we do. 

Thank you for the history lesson.
 
Good post.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Old guy
(e) License and Skill Premiums
(1) An employee in the classification of Inspector, Crew Chief Aviation Maintenance Technician, Technical Crew Chief Aviation Maintenance Technician, or Aviation Maintenance Technician, regularly assigned to perform aircraft maintenance work, will receive the following License Premium, if he holds both FAA Airframe and FAA Powerplant Licenses, FAA Airframe and FCC General Radiotelephone Operator Licenses, or FAA Powerplant and FCC General Radiotelephone Operator Licenses:
(a) Effective March 01, 2003, the employee will receive $5.00 per hour.

All I am saying is it will take a change in the contract and a vote by the membership..

I was saying the TWU did this before.  I think it was the 89 contract.  All A scalers were grandfathered in but if you were 83 or later hire date you lost one license if you were in a shop.  This was voted in by the membership.  It could happen again if we don't watch them.

 

[toroshark]

He isn't chairing the committee that would be the IAM, he is the chair for the TWU

And THAT is a major issue for the TWU membership! Let's have a person who represents roughly a third of maintenance be the chairman for negotiations. Then let's have a fleet service clerk be the vice-chair in charge of looking out after the other two-thirds of maintenance. Sounds like some of the membership is going to get the bone.

 

[toroshark]

I can't wait for the two unions to start trading us back and forth like cattle to maintain their dues collecting ratios. This association is a shite sandwich from the word go. Designed to maintain control of dues. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

Just heard that the AMT movement has been put on hold. Can anyone confirm?

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Just heard that the AMT movement has been put on hold. Can anyone confirm?

Not a chance.  Guys got their papers Friday and today.  A few going to the Flight Control Shop and others going to the hangars.  Of course since it is a week past the shift bid so they stuck guys on afternoon shift for 3 months that could have held days with their seniority had they been allowed to bid as they should have.  But since they still have a job the union has no problem.  They can do that brother.

 

[1AA]

He isn't chairing the committee that would be the IAM, he is the chair for the TWU

That's right a chair for the twu, not the AMT's. He has no business being there representing a group he does not work with.

 

[swamt]

Not a chance.  Guys got their papers Friday and today.  A few going to the Flight Control Shop and others going to the hangars.  Of course since it is a week past the shift bid so they stuck guys on afternoon shift for 3 months that could have held days with their seniority had they been allowed to bid as they should have.  But since they still have a job the union has no problem.  They can do that brother.

Does it ever stop with the TWU?  The rumors 2ndgenamt spoke of might be the unions trying to settle some folks before a possible vote comes up for union representation.  Enough is enough, tired of being tired yet?  Time to turn the TWU free from AA mechanics.  This type of representation will just continue and get even worst, yes worst, just wait for all the back and forth between the two unions and all the control issues that will leave the members put to the waste side while they are bickering between themselves and getting absolutely nothing accomplished for the membership...

 

[TWU informer]

[SIZE=medium]Why do I continue to ask you to sign an AMFA card and support having an election?[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium] We are going to get new representation like it or not. [/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium]The NMB has been asked by both the TWU and the IAM to certify new representation. While doing so they have politically maneuvered to attempt to get either a certification without a vote, or a vote that only gives you a choice of the TWU/IAM Association or No Union, as if that is really a legitimate choice or fair to you the member. And TWU and the IAM has used money from your dues to politically maneuver this issue to insure what they think is best for you is your only choice. This is wrong, it is indication of a weak union, an organization that fears the membership does not support them.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium] How strong can your union really be if they exist only by avoiding a true vote of the membership? When your negotiators sit across from management at the table, the company needs to know that the majority of the membership supports them and has their back. For years now the company has known that we keep signing the cards to remove the TWU and we are denied an election. The company doesn’t love the TWU, the company loves knowing that the TWU is only at the table by avoiding a direct vote of the membership. That isn’t a union with any backbone or real ability to fight. That is a union that is weak, operates in fear, and is only on the property by some miscarriage of justice, or some illegitimate politically wrangling.  We need a union that the membership, the company, and the public have no doubt that the majority supports.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=medium] Even if you support the TWU/IAM Association, sign the card to guarantee a proper election. If the Association is the majority choice, then we can rally behind that choice and stop the constant attempts to verify who and what the membership wants to support. If there is a proper election and the Association wins, then I commit myself to stop pursuit of union change. If any of you believe that we can support and have unified strength by either certification without an election or an election that forces us to accept the Association or NO Union, you are sadly mistaken and your representation will remain divided and weak.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]  [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]All I ask is that you help us all to insure that we put this dispute to bed once and for all, by having an election and vote after a real debate of the choices and a legitimate vote. Only then will the company garner respect for your union and only then will your membership rally behind your leaders.[/SIZE]

 

[Buck]

Today, 5/4/2015 I spoke witha Training Tech Crew Chief who said that he is finishing his second class of 29 each Turbine Building Mechanics moving to the Hangars. He stated that some are headed for 737 and some for 757.

 

[1AA]

Since the 757 is soon to be gone what are the future plans for the guys moving into the 757?  Perhaps the Airbus?  Perhaps work being moved from PIT or CLT in the near future? History may repeat itself again.

 

[Buck]

perhaps it could be other wide body aircraft. 767 and I am not sure of the Airbus and if any are going to be in TUL

 

[Flying low]

Since the 757 is soon to be gone what are the future plans for the guys moving into the 757?  Perhaps the Airbus?  Perhaps work being moved from PIT or CLT in the near future? History may repeat itself again.

There is supposed to be another 757 line starting up soon in hangar 5.