Tulsa AMT movement.

[1AA]

Union busting?

 

[OldGuy@AA]

I've heard that for 29 years but I've never seen it. In fact I've seen the opposite. look at STL and MCI, both had the best performance in the system, one shut down the other cut down big time. Look at AFW, much better performance than TUL but they shut that down as well. We had the 767 Bcheck at JFK for a number of years and had the best performance in the system, they shipped it to LAX which at the time was struggling with what they had. So dont believe it if you think by working harder and jumping through hoops to get the planes out that it makes you job in that location any more secure than if you did the absolute minimum. When our guys asked why we were losing the B-check the companys response was "routing". MCI learned the hard way about getting the work done, when they got it done they were done, closed up.

Not fair comparing AFW to TUL.  While we were doing heavy Cs on 727s and MD80s in Tulsa, AFW was doing glorified acceptance checks on 767s.  

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Not fair comparing AFW to TUL.  While we were doing heavy Cs on 727s and MD80s in Tulsa, AFW was doing glorified acceptance checks on 767s.

Is that right???

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Is that right???

The 767s in AFW were brand new airplanes while the 727s and MD80s in TULE had lots of cycles on them.  Even so, at one point TULE MD80 product had a 100% on time schedule.  AFW 767 was in the 90% area.  We were also working 727 shorties and also had the former Braniff pigs so that brought the average down.  Pretty simple if you think about it.  Newer airplanes have less problems.  Older ones have all kinds of problems.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

The 767s in AFW were brand new airplanes while the 727s and MD80s in TULE had lots of cycles on them.  Even so, at one point TULE MD80 product had a 100% on time schedule.  AFW 767 was in the 90% area.  We were also working 727 shorties and also had the former Braniff pigs so that brought the average down.  Pretty simple if you think about it.  Newer airplanes have less problems.  Older ones have all kinds of problems.

No doubt Tulsaworked some old airframes. However to characterize the work done at afw as glorified acceptance checks is disingenuous at best. I worked there for 19 years. I assure you the work performed there was considerably more than what you state.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

No doubt Tulsaworked some old airframes. However to characterize the work done at afw as glorified acceptance checks is disingenuous at best. I worked there for 19 years. I assure you the work performed there was considerably more than what you state.

Believe me.....  To those of us who worked 727s those 767s were brand spanking new compared to what we had.  My point was that you can't compare TULE and AFW.  We worked different fleets.

 

[Buck]

Believe me.....  To those of us who worked 727s those 767s were brand spanking new compared to what we had.  My point was that you can't compare TULE and AFW.  We worked different fleets.

It is the cost of doing business and yet political at the same time and I do not mean the ongoing libtard argument. For AA Tulsa is very cheap and Tulsa would do almost anything to keep AA. Perhaps you should ask the TWU why AA has kept its workforce in Tulsa? It is my understand on the cost issue, that while AFW had a very high lease rate Tulsa is practically free. It may have been easier to get an aircraft from TUL to DFW or ORD than it was to get them from AFW? 

 

[Buck]

You mad bro?  I get it.  It was the Hee Haw thing wasn't it? (Junior Samples, what an actor!) Also if researching the issues and voting against people like Sara Palin, Mary Fallon and Jim Inhoffe makes me a "Libtard" then I'm good with that.  As far as hypocrites look at those in your own backyard.  Oklahoma is full of them.  They want union jobs then vote in Right to Work laws.  

Do you know the difference between the NLRB and the NMB? Your Right to Work statement has it's place, but not in the airline industry. That what is wrong with having the TWU. The focus on all of the labor issues and not so much on those paying them dues at AA. If you are a member of the TWU at AA then your concern should first come to that in which your company operates. After that then if you want to apply your energy to State politics where Right to Work is an issue, so be it. But first show that you understand you know the difference.

 

[Buck]

Tulsa has begun it AMT Movement. AMTO's are being divided around a 1999 seniority date, with the juniority going to the back shops, like the seat shop etc.. The Seniority is being "upgraded" to full mechanic with their License Premium restored. There are some local issues that remain unanswered, such as a Crew Chief with a 2011 seniority not being displaced, while a mechanic wanting a Crew Chief position with a 2004 seniority is.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Do you know the difference between the NLRB and the NMB? Your Right to Work statement has it's place, but not in the airline industry. That what is wrong with having the TWU. The focus on all of the labor issues and not so much on those paying them dues at AA. If you are a member of the TWU at AA then your concern should first come to that in which your company operates. After that then if you want to apply your energy to State politics where Right to Work is an issue, so be it. But first show that you understand you know the difference.

Yeah I know the difference.  Obviously you don't understand what I was saying.  When you are in a union and you vote for people who are anti union and hate you then you are kicking yourself in the nuts.  

 

[Buck]

Yeah I know the difference.  Obviously you don't understand what I was saying.  When you are in a union and you vote for people who are anti union and hate you then you are kicking yourself in the nuts.  

Then please explain how Right to Work affects the airline industry, in Oklahoma and possibly those in the TWU at the Tulsa Base?

 

[iluvaa]

Tulsa has begun it AMT Movement. AMTO's are being divided around a 1999 seniority date, with the juniority going to the back shops, like the seat shop etc.. The Seniority is being "upgraded" to full mechanic with their License Premium restored. There are some local issues that remain unanswered, such as a Crew Chief with a 2011 seniority not being displaced, while a mechanic wanting a Crew Chief position with a 2004 seniority is.

because a crew chief isn't an AMTO.

 

[Buck]

because a crew chief isn't an AMTO.

What part of the contract is that in?

 

[Kev3188]

What's an AMTO?

 

[iluvaa]

It's always been there, crew chiefs are a different classification when it come to rifs if I get time later I'll look it up.