The TWU Conssesions History

[Overspeed]

Exsellent point! LOL. I had to do it...

Please, based on your highly inaccurate posts...you're not that clever. But pat yourself on the back.

The fact remains that AMFA had over 18,000 members in 2004 and now has less than 3,000. A highly successful defense of jobs I see.

 

[Rogallo]

Please, based on your highly inaccurate posts...you're not that clever. But pat yourself on the back.

That goes both ways....

 

[swamt]

Please, based on your highly inaccurate posts...you're not that clever. But pat yourself on the back.

The fact remains that AMFA had over 18,000 members in 2004 and now has less than 3,000. A highly successful defense of jobs I see.

There you go again with misleading postings. AMFA did not lose jobs for the difference of 18k to 3k in members. The change in these numbers are due to union elections not job losses in the industry.
Btw; you were way off on answering my previous post, as I was positive you would be. Take another look, and maybe you will get it on the 2nd time around. When all you ibt and TWU supporters revert to correcting peoples spelling grammer and lit just to try and discredit speaks volumes. Between typing and texting who cares now days. Take another look and see if you figure it out... Gotta love it.

 

[swamt]

This is golden. A TWU guy correcting an AMFA guy on how to spell concessions.

It's all he's got.

 

[Bob Owens]

Please, based on your highly inaccurate posts...you're not that clever. But pat yourself on the back.

The fact remains that AMFA had over 18,000 members in 2004 and now has less than 3,000. A highly successful defense of jobs I see.

You know what they say about glass houses.

According to the Gless letter by 2017 the TWU will be down to less than 8000 in 2017, and we will be at the bottom of the industry in compensation, whether you go by wages, vacation, holidays, sick time, IOD time, Medical benefits and even the pension. (The New UAL currently has 8700, and they get $5/hr more, plus as much as 2 weeks per year more Vacation, much more than double the Holiday pay, more sick pay, 1.75 x for all hours on a Field trip, I could go on but I think thats enough to make most lose their lunches)

The company said they wanted to chop 4000 heads and thats what we gave them!!!

If the International keeps letting the ATD do as they usually do then the TWU could end up going from representing 16000 mechanics in 2004 to Zero mechanics in 2013.

 

[Bob Owens]

First of all, learn how to spell. It's "concessions" not consessions. Have you heard of spell check?

Spellcheck isnt on the editing bar on this site, but it is in Word, but it wont catch everything, such as when one writes "moral", when they mean "morale", or more recently when they write "Bases for change", when they probably meant "Basis for change". But hey what do you expect for $180K a year?

 

[Bob Owens]

What concessions were there in 1993? That was the elimination of the B Scale.

Was it the elimination of B-scale or the convergence of A&B into one? We didnt go up to A as much as A came down to B. A rates plummeted in real terms from 1985 till 1993. We had already started paying for LTD, Retiree Medical and "Flex Benefits". We had 10 sick days while 12 was more common, maxed out with one less week of VC, had no DAT days, you could borrow from next year but be paid at the lower rate this year and we lost the first year off our pension, sure we had a higher multiplier but the two tenths of one percent advantage was not enough to make up for the loss of the first year.

Other than that there were no new major concessions in 1993 that I recall, just wage increases that did not keep up with inflation.

 

[xUT]

And the rest of AO at SFO gone was on AMFA's watch.

The rest of what?
Not much left to protect after INDY was shut down.
Everything was outsourced by the time AMFA came in.
Once it's gone, it's gone.
Company shed all of it's tooling to outsourced maintenance either for free or compensated. Doesn't really matter now as once it's gone it will never come back.
UA was pretty aggressive in getting rid of tooling and didn't mind pissing money away to 're-purpose' empty areas.
They made certain that not only new tooling would not be purchased but the area where it could be used was 're-purposed'.
You will see that soon yourselves, and you will see M&R jumping at the chance to train your OSV on AA equipment just for the per-Diem and maybe some OT.
B) xUT

 

[Realityck]

Spellcheck isnt on the editing bar on this site, but it is in Word, but it wont catch everything, such as when one writes "moral", when they mean "morale", or more recently when they write "Bases for change", when they probably meant "Basis for change". But hey what do you expect for $180K a year?

bases |ˈbāsēz|
plural form of basis .

basis |ˈbāsis|
noun ( pl. -ses |-sēz|)
the underlying support or foundation for an idea, argument, or process : trust is the only basis for a good working relationship.

 

[AC Tynker]

Spellcheck isnt on the editing bar on this site, but it is in Word, but it wont catch everything, such as when one writes "moral", when they mean "morale", or more recently when they write "Bases for change", when they probably meant "Basis for change". But hey what do you expect for $180K a year?

bases |ˈbāsēz|
plural form of basis .

basis |ˈbāsis|
noun ( pl. -ses |-sēz|)
the underlying support or foundation for an idea, argument, or process : trust is the only basis for a good working relationship.

Wow Bob and YOU make YOURSELF look like an idiot and the price tag I put on that is "Priceless"! and you did it all without spellcheck. LOL!

 

[topDawg]

When the TWU found out that firm was hiring for NW scabs they shut it down.

The IAM started the outsourcing with the IND maintenance base slow down. When AMFA came in they did not defend the IAM language and the rest of the AO work left. It was a combo screwing.

No. Most of the UAL stuff was gone under the IAM. The AMFA had its hands tied.

question...Why don't you post all the fails from the AFL-CIO unions? I gave you the first one.....(or you wont because that kinda kills your point.)

and I'm sure the TWU was real quick to shut down the job fairs.

 

[Bob Owens]

bases |ˈbāsēz|
plural form of basis .

basis |ˈbāsis|
noun ( pl. -ses |-sēz|)
the underlying support or foundation for an idea, argument, or process : trust is the only basis for a good working relationship.

Guess you and tynker didn't read the Gless letter.

"The principal reason for the proposed restructuring,, note singular. He goes on to cite that cost reductions are the reason for the "restructuring". Nowhere in the letter did I see "other reasons include,,,"

 

[Overspeed]

There you go again with misleading postings. AMFA did not lose jobs for the difference of 18k to 3k in members. The change in these numbers are due to union elections not job losses in the industry.
Btw; you were way off on answering my previous post, as I was positive you would be. Take another look, and maybe you will get it on the 2nd time around. When all you ibt and TWU supporters revert to correcting peoples spelling grammer and lit just to try and discredit speaks volumes. Between typing and texting who cares now days. Take another look and see if you figure it out... Gotta love it.

What? You only lost UA. That was 15,000 members? They didn't even have 15,000 members prior to BK. That's a fact and distorting and flat out lying on your part.

 

[Overspeed]

No. Most of the UAL stuff was gone under the IAM. The AMFA had its hands tied.

question...Why don't you post all the fails from the AFL-CIO unions? I gave you the first one.....(or you wont because that kinda kills your point.)

and I'm sure the TWU was real quick to shut down the job fairs.

AMFA took over in 2003 and in six years lost another 3,000 AMT jobs. So in three years AMFA did nothing but collect dues and don't forget the $200K UA paid AMFA to "listen" to merger plans and another $75K to hire a UAL recommended consultant on their outsourcing plans. Nice.

 

[Overspeed]

You know what they say about glass houses.

According to the Gless letter by 2017 the TWU will be down to less than 8000 in 2017, and we will be at the bottom of the industry in compensation, whether you go by wages, vacation, holidays, sick time, IOD time, Medical benefits and even the pension. (The New UAL currently has 8700, and they get $5/hr more, plus as much as 2 weeks per year more Vacation, much more than double the Holiday pay, more sick pay, 1.75 x for all hours on a Field trip, I could go on but I think thats enough to make most lose their lunches)

The company said they wanted to chop 4000 heads and thats what we gave them!!!

If the International keeps letting the ATD do as they usually do then the TWU could end up going from representing 16000 mechanics in 2004 to Zero mechanics in 2013.

Distorting again Bob. 2,000 related to outsourcing, the rest is new fleets and you know what happens with new fleets? They get old. The TWU scope language requires that 65% of all direct labor and mat'ls to be done in-house. That means the majority of new fleet work will be done in-house. Not so under any other CBA. The TWU scope language protects current work and future work. Keep lying Bob.

And bottom of the industry? No. We will be in the middle of the pack in four years per the wage adjustment. And Bob, we had number two pay in the May 2010 TA. But remember what you said, number two will never do. You were right, we voted no all the way to the bottom thanks to smart guys like you.