I voted NO.
The TWU Conssesions History
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I voted NO.
For the people who speak of the 1983 concessions, here is a little of what was going on during that time.
We were just a few years out of deregulation. Legacy carriers with topped out employees with full defined pensions were having to compete with start ups like SWA who outsourced most of their maintenance and hires new employees without the defined pension plan.
We were under Reagan, who had fired and jail a devastating amount of air traffic controllers for striking. The first wave of union brothers paroled were during this time, with nightly news covering their reemergence from prison.
AA lost $1billion (seems small by today's standards). Continental lost half that and was in bankruptcy. Eastern and some other once globally dominate airlines were on their last gasps.
Crandal had a plan to grow the airline to become the largest in the US. We were rarely awarded routes, we bought our South American route system. Crandal grew us at light speed. I hired on in 1985, look at our senority list from 85 to 88 and you will see exactly what we got for our concessionary contract, jobs, jobs, and more jobs.
And lastly, the union officials asked everyone to vote NO in 1983. It was the union membership who went against them. Check your local library achieves if you don't believe it.
I am not a TWU supporter (been signing AMFA cards since the mid 80s) but it is almost more than I can take to see the vultures circle before we have even taken our last breath. Misinformation and agendas coming from all angles when people are in crisis. It is just not appropriate. Title 1 at AA will decide how they are represented, circling vultures who are looking to exploit us at our time of crisis need to stop.
We were just a few years out of deregulation. Legacy carriers with topped out employees with full defined pensions were having to compete with start ups like SWA who outsourced most of their maintenance and hires new employees without the defined pension plan.
We were under Reagan, who had fired and jail a devastating amount of air traffic controllers for striking. The first wave of union brothers paroled were during this time, with nightly news covering their reemergence from prison.
AA lost $1billion (seems small by today's standards). Continental lost half that and was in bankruptcy. Eastern and some other once globally dominate airlines were on their last gasps.
Crandal had a plan to grow the airline to become the largest in the US. We were rarely awarded routes, we bought our South American route system. Crandal grew us at light speed. I hired on in 1985, look at our senority list from 85 to 88 and you will see exactly what we got for our concessionary contract, jobs, jobs, and more jobs.
And lastly, the union officials asked everyone to vote NO in 1983. It was the union membership who went against them. Check your local library achieves if you don't believe it.
I am not a TWU supporter (been signing AMFA cards since the mid 80s) but it is almost more than I can take to see the vultures circle before we have even taken our last breath. Misinformation and agendas coming from all angles when people are in crisis. It is just not appropriate. Title 1 at AA will decide how they are represented, circling vultures who are looking to exploit us at our time of crisis need to stop.
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You're absolutely correct! The working relationship between the TWU locals and management has been horrible. And, why?? Because the workers don't trust management and view them as losers and dumbasses. And, management can't stand the fact that guys pull scams, file grievances, and talk smack about them. The place has been a snake pit since the late 90's. Plus, whenever YOU voluntarily giveback to the company your sweat and tears for 9 years and watch the company squander that money.....while rewarding themselves bonuses.....is not a good recipe for a relationship with your employees. Management definitely screwed up the place back in 2003. You think it's miserable now.....just wait! Thank god I'm out of that snake pit called ORD!
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2 things; 1- SWA was hardly a start up airline in 1983. It was over 12 years old when this happend. Yes SWA was still a young airline, but no longer a start up. Once beyond 5 years and making continuous profits and growth would make you a competitor and no longer a start up. IMO.
2-- The conssesions came to AA prior to you being hired. The sen. list from 85-88 has nothing to do with what happened in 83'.
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Too bad that you have two things going against you......The TWU leadership has been in bed with the company for years, and you have a membership that isn't willing to fight. I'm not exactly sure how the membership pulled off Happy Holidays....because that was over $300 that the company was paying the F/A for working over the Millenium. Now, AA just basically raped you.......and your not willing to fight to save your profession. And, it's not even the profession.....it's to save your family from more hardships. What happened to having some integrity, moral values.....dignity?? You allowed AA to destroy your values.....as a working person! You gave it all up for what??? so some schmuck in China can take your job. It's all about saving your livlihood....and not one soul was willing to fight. How can you possibly look at your kids in the face? How pathetic is that? Again, nothing personal against YOU....when I say "you"....I mean the membership. You only get one bite at the apple.....and you allowed AA to swallow the apple. And, for what? To save the TWU, again! They're not saving jobs! AA wanted and got it's most prized possession......system protection. Game over! You're now at risk. Little and his cronies aren't.....they're not at risk. They laid the membership out to dry....they bamboozled you, again.......and, they still collect dues money, while you collect unemployment. Nice! When are YOU going to learn?? And, by no means am I saying that AMFA's the answer.....but pick an organization that really cares about "the working person"....an organization that has leaders with some "skin" in the game. The TWU leadership doesn't have any "skin" in the game. And, they never will....the only ones that have skin in the game is your local leadership.....and you see how effective that's been. It was time to change union's 20 years ago.....but the membership is too busy playing on their laptops.....sitting in a corner.....playing dominos...cards......or just roaming the terminal to look at hot chicks....instead of worrying about their JOB! Good Luck!
You're nit-picking. IMO.
In terms of competing with large legacy airlines, it's not a mistake to refer to WN as a "start-up" in 1983. WN was still very small but beginning to grow rapidly.
At year-end 1982, WN had 37 planes. At year end 1983, WN had 46 planes.
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Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:45 PM
For the people who speak of the 1983 concessions, here is a little of what was going on during that time.
We were just a few years out of deregulation. Legacy carriers with topped out employees with full defined pensions were having to compete with start ups like SWA who outsourced most of their maintenance and hires new employees without the defined pension plan.
We were under Reagan, who had fired and jail a devastating amount of air traffic controllers for striking. The first wave of union brothers paroled were during this time, with nightly news covering their reemergence from prison.
AA lost $1billion (seems small by today's standards). Continental lost half that and was in bankruptcy. Eastern and some other once globally dominate airlines were on their last gasps.
Crandal had a plan to grow the airline to become the largest in the US. We were rarely awarded routes, we bought our South American route system. Crandal grew us at light speed. I hired on in 1985, look at our senority list from 85 to 88 and you will see exactly what we got for our concessionary contract, jobs, jobs, and more jobs.
And lastly, the union officials asked everyone to vote NO in 1983. It was the union membership who went against them. Check your local library achieves if you don't believe it.
(Slight correction) As I recall, we were on the countdown and management (Pascuito I think) gave the negotiating committee a copy of their yellow dog contract & told the committee if they didn’t recommend the offer on the table, it would be implemented at midnight. Kerrigan told the company to stick it and the offer went out with no recommendation. It passed by a +75 yes vote.
I am not a TWU supporter (been signing AMFA cards since the mid 80s) but it is almost more than I can take to see the vultures circle before we have even taken our last breath. Misinformation and agendas coming from all angles when people are in crisis. It is just not appropriate. Title 1 at AA will decide how they are represented, circling vultures who are looking to exploit us at our time of crisis need to stop.
I am not an AMFA supporter and haven’t been since their earliest days. They brag about their victories while ignoring their failures and/or subsequent rejections. Kind of reminds me of Owens & his groupies who overlook where they stumbled in the early contract extension episode, the 2010 T/A, and now that we have to deal with the result of their (keep voting no and things will get better) chorus, ignore their role in the downhill process and keep on blaming everyone but them-selves. Management played a major role, but Owens and his camp followers are not without blame either.
As for SWA, I know several of their AMTs and since management already contracts out most of it’s heavy maintenance, their next contract (inherited from the IBT) may not be the industry setter they would like it to be. Their CEO said as much recently, and it appears management’s attitude toward the AMFA reflects that.
Posted 15 September 2012 - 12:45 PM
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For the people who speak of the 1983 concessions, here is a little of what was going on during that time.
We were just a few years out of deregulation. Legacy carriers with topped out employees with full defined pensions were having to compete with start ups like SWA who outsourced most of their maintenance and hires new employees without the defined pension plan.
We were under Reagan, who had fired and jail a devastating amount of air traffic controllers for striking. The first wave of union brothers paroled were during this time, with nightly news covering their reemergence from prison.
AA lost $1billion (seems small by today's standards). Continental lost half that and was in bankruptcy. Eastern and some other once globally dominate airlines were on their last gasps.
Crandal had a plan to grow the airline to become the largest in the US. We were rarely awarded routes, we bought our South American route system. Crandal grew us at light speed. I hired on in 1985, look at our senority list from 85 to 88 and you will see exactly what we got for our concessionary contract, jobs, jobs, and more jobs.
And lastly, the union officials asked everyone to vote NO in 1983. It was the union membership who went against them. Check your local library achieves if you don't believe it.
(Slight correction) As I recall, we were on the countdown and management (Pascuito I think) gave the negotiating committee a copy of their yellow dog contract & told the committee if they didn’t recommend the offer on the table, it would be implemented at midnight. Kerrigan told the company to stick it and the offer went out with no recommendation. It passed by a +75 yes vote.
I am not a TWU supporter (been signing AMFA cards since the mid 80s) but it is almost more than I can take to see the vultures circle before we have even taken our last breath. Misinformation and agendas coming from all angles when people are in crisis. It is just not appropriate. Title 1 at AA will decide how they are represented, circling vultures who are looking to exploit us at our time of crisis need to stop.
I am not an AMFA supporter and haven’t been since their earliest days. They brag about their victories while ignoring their failures and/or subsequent rejections. Kind of reminds me of Owens & his groupies who overlook where they stumbled in the early contract extension episode, the 2010 T/A, and now that we have to deal with the result of their (keep voting no and things will get better) chorus, ignore their role in the downhill process and keep on blaming everyone but them-selves. Management played a major role, but Owens and his camp followers are not without blame either.
As for SWA, I know several of their AMTs and since management already contracts out most of it’s heavy maintenance, their next contract (inherited from the IBT) may not be the industry setter they would like it to be. Their CEO said as much recently, and it appears management’s attitude toward the AMFA reflects that.
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LOL. Ok, your right. I will retrack my first statement. The second stays as it is 2 years after the conssesions that this individual was hired, so he was not affected by the 83' conssesions.
Just wait, I can see the same kind of growth with the international side now. GK has stated that he sees us up to 1000 aircraft by 2017 or 2018 and most of this will be due to the international market as well as smaller US growth except anything that helps the international side.
I was one of the jobs that the concession, B scale, brought about. I was affected, everyone hired in on B scale was affected. The ones who voted it in we're not affected as they remained on their original A scale.
You really should keep to what you know. You presume to lecture me about what I have lived through when you were still a kid popping pimples in the mirror.
That is something I'm still trying to understand. It make no sense to stay with TWU. I signed my card and all AMT at my location (line) did the same. If the people do not sign now with this screw do not know what will convince the people to sign.
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If they don't sign now, then AA will keep the company union TWU untill the end of time. I am pretty sure this is the last and final AMFA card drive at AA. If they all deside to keep the TWU or vote in the teamsters, you all will fully get what you all deserve-trust me...
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Early openers thats a Joke
We negotiate for years on end and you think we are going to get early openers. Your a fool
you voted yes to be at the bottom of the Dung pile lower in pay and benefits than any other carrier. Wait until the 757 the MD-80 and the 767 make the direct approach into the desert to get moth balled how many OSM's will it take to do checks on a few 737's ? ?
We got early openers in four years because by then we will be just like UAL DL and US there will be no more overhaul but remember you voted for it. LOL
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I think this is the last card drive for me as an organizer, I'm tired...not giving up though!
I agree..If this slap in the face isn't enough of a wake up call for these guys nothing will be.
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