Teamsters "raiding" TWU?
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Chuck Schalk
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Just so you know.......
The IAM gave authorization for their loyalyst in AMFA to cross the picket line in the spirit of organizing so it was not scabbing in their eyes and to help the company move airplanes thus lessening the effects of the AMFA strikers.
Ok dude I get it. No its not personal I get your position you are paid by the Ibt gotta bow to your leader. I don't blame anyone who tries to climb the union ladder I know rampers who make 6 figures more than any AMT just playing the union line. I make a great wage without benefit of any union especially the Ibt and with the reamsters its personal. When Hoffa flew on NW during our strike he was asked about our strike and he made it abundantly clear AMFA was not a real union. So F'K him and the horse he rode in on. Why would I sign a teamster card to make less and pay dues too?
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Your quote was, I believe, I would rather be on an unemployment line with amfa than have a job with AA and accept TWU concessions. I simply find it hard to belive someone these days would actually consciously take that route. Not saying you wouldn't, but would find i hard to believe even if you did. Just me.
I keep hearing about this Hoffa flying on NWA business. All I have ever heard is that he did it. I am not saying I disagree with you, but I would like to question the IBT on this. In past occurrences where I have disagreed with the Teamsters, I have found that by including as many specifics as possible often gets me more straight answers. I would like to ask them their side of this, so any help you can provide would be appreciated.
If you know any of this; what year did he fly? Do you know the origin and destination of the flight? If anyone has a flight number that would be a huge bonus too. Hard to deny with a traceable locator record. I am not trying to change yours or anybody's mind on this, just want to look in to this for my own self interest. I like knowing the truth about my union too. The good and the bad. Any info you have will be helpful to me. Thanks
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Wouldn't the Teamster Pilots of Champion Air flying NWA flights to scab over maintenance delayes to assist NWA Management suffice to make the point? Who really cares what Hoffa did? His reputation is already clear and in the public view for anyone to see what he stands for.
A Simple yes or no would have done,
Your post, that I responded to was about AMFA members who scabbed.
Such responses are the reason why many do not trust the IBT. You dont find it odd that someone who claims to be a Unionist identifies so strongly with the company he works for that he uses the company LOGO and a made up title to identify himself when he corresponds with other union workers? That tells us a lot about you and your beliefs.
The way I see such a signature, where the TWU is not bolded and the American Airlines is, the person wishes to emphaisze his association with American Airlines more so than his association with the TWU. Maybe in the IBT they do the same thing, perhaps at UPS they would put it all in brown lettering and have UPS in bold like this;
Apointed Business Agent
International Brotherhood of Teamsters
Made up title thats soulnds like management
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But thankfully I've never seen anything like that. I find it troubling that our Union allows it. To me it shows that many within our organization have more loyalty to American Airlines than the workers they claim they are representing (from their unelected positions). Its omething that we need to address.
Since you asked I will respond, and unlike you I will actually answer the question, someday maybe you will realize thats all the members want, truthful answers. Its not really that hard to do, unless you feel a need to hide the truth.
Yes, to the highest degree possible. Was the IBT fully prepared to take on Overnight Trucking? I watched both films, Red Tail and American Standoff, and followed the NWA story as it unfolded, and was proud when I saw IBT drivers in New York (Carey Country) turn their trucks around rather than cross the picket lines.They recognized Unionists even if those at the top didn't.
53% of AMFA members were to vote away their jobs, are you saying the IBT would have accepted such a deal?
And with the resources of over 1 million members the IBT failed miserably at Overnight Trucking. Are you saying that the IBT never should have tried to organize Overnight or that the AMFA should have told more than half their members to accept a deal that would eliminate more than half the jobs and cut pay and benefits for those who remained?
Are you saying Bush would have supported a Teamster strike? After all the IBT did support his father didnt they? Remember this was 2005, even though Bush II and Hoffa openly flirted with each other prior to the 2004 election in the end Hoffa didnt give the younger Bush his support.
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I'm pretty sure that Bob will still be called a unionist when AMFA gets elected at AA. He will also be called President of the newly created local for NY.
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Bob will still be called a unionist after AMFA gets in at AA. He'll also be called President of the newly formed AMFA NY local.
As I am sure you will be watching anyway, you might want to tune into the "AMFA live webinar" this coming Tues. Pretty sure your question will get answered by the X-teamster bus. agent that will be participating, as he was a bus agent with teamsters at that time. Good luck on your research, there is records of it, just don't know if it is public record.
I care what Hoffa did. In no way shape or form should a union leader, especially as high up as Hoffa is, fly on a carrier that is on strike. He should have shown union solidarity as the truckers did that refused to deliver across NWA strike lines.
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WTF....? Do we actually agree on something?
I would just like to know the specifics of the subject. It will probably not change my views of the Teamsters (like you said even the truckers honored the picket lines) but it may cause me to be more critical of the top leadership.
BTW, I asked the question of the SFO BA's and the Airline Division. Both sides were respectful of the question enough to reply but neither provided any answers. They both noted the subject came up during the UAL campaign and that the accusation was brought up by AMFA members. There was no attempt to verify the rumor as it was believed this was not enough to change the outcome either way.
I guess I see the point. If we find out it did not happen at all will that change your opinions towards the Teamsters? I didn't think so. Still, I for one would like to know the truth of the subject.
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swamt posts comments of overwhelming solidarity in the amfa members ranks, but forgets the true definition of a scab. Many amfa members and amfa leaders crossed their own poorly planned picket lines.
http://www.laborworl...1-25-2006v5.pdf
http://www.pirep.org...3c9363ee5cf472d
http://www.wsws.org/...5/nwa-a21.shtml
http://truecapitalis...n-leadership-2/
http://www.wsws.org/...5/nwa-a23.shtml
http://www.pulsetc.c...=Print&sid=2260
http://usatoday30.us...-nwa-usat_x.htm
http://usatoday30.us...st-strike_x.htm
http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0
He blatantly calls all of you "pussies" but refuses to admit that it was a poor decision to play the hand amfa held. swamt is a paid representative of amfa. he will say anything to keep his job, even if it means calling AA mechanics out.
Watch out for this guy.
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If you check the ibts LM-2s for the period in question I'm sure you'll find the rather large payouts to NWA during the strike period.
Hoffa never of course admitted to it, nor would he. It wasn't just him alone as I recall, he was just the biggest fish. If memory serves Keegal and a few others from the International were ID'd coming off NWA aircraft.
There is a video of him getting questioned by a reporter on the subject and he looks like a deer in headlights, I'll try to find it.
Hoffa never of course admitted to it, nor would he. It wasn't just him alone as I recall, he was just the biggest fish. If memory serves Keegal and a few others from the International were ID'd coming off NWA aircraft.
There is a video of him getting questioned by a reporter on the subject and he looks like a deer in headlights, I'll try to find it.
