FA Mikey,Oct 10 2005, 02:42 PM]
No, APFA was not spared from any cuts. But in reality has anyone been?
Thats the point. The same thing has happened across the industry and our split up labor movement has not been able to do anything to stop it. Look at what happens in Europe. While we are looking at our salaries being cut by 25% and likely to lose our pensions the unions in Belgium shut the country down because they were talking about raising the retirement age from 58 to 60.
Look at the balance sheets at U and UAL. First second or third to take cuts. It was going to happen. We took less and are not in BK.
It took them several rounds to catch up to our cuts. BK? Who cares. U and UAL and Delta are all still flying arent they?
The worst thing we had at APFA was a complete inept president. That has changed.
Well you are still stuck with the contract, has that changed?
They will choose between TWU, AFA, or PFAA, if it comes to that. Nothing saying it will. Really they need to go you U and UAL and see how bad AFA really is. Look at DAL, they choose no union over AFA.
DAL also chose no union over the TWU. The TWU blew $2 million on that drive.
Of 19,000 fa's only 5,500 voted for AFA. They spent so much money there they had to be rescued by CWA. This is not a union I would want to represent of have access to spend my dues dollars.
They did a lot better than the TWU. The CWA is probably one of the better unions out there. The AFA rejected other unions.
What really needs to happen is a complete reorganization of the airline labor movement. There is no logic to the structure. Its simply and cash cow to several different organizations. The fact is that as transportation workers we are in a good position to be strong, but our fractured, inefficient , ineffective unions robb us of our potential. WE need to consolidate. I dont care what three or four letter prefix is put out in front (as long as its not Jim -AA management- Littles TWU). We need to consolidate. I support consolidation either along craft lines or as an entire industry. With the courts and the companies working together to screw us we cant afford to be spectators or divided. I'll say it again, back when UAL threatened to go to court to get their labor agreements abrogated the entire airline labor movement should have said that when the first contract is voided we are all going out. (By the way when I first sent that out Jim Little e-mailed me and demanded that I retract that statement). As far as I'm concerned such an action would be a political expression (because it would be challenging the courts actions, much the way Martin Luther King did) and not a violation of the RLA which prohibits economic actions without being released by the NMB.
No, APFA was not spared from any cuts. But in reality has anyone been?
Thats the point. The same thing has happened across the industry and our split up labor movement has not been able to do anything to stop it. Look at what happens in Europe. While we are looking at our salaries being cut by 25% and likely to lose our pensions the unions in Belgium shut the country down because they were talking about raising the retirement age from 58 to 60.
Look at the balance sheets at U and UAL. First second or third to take cuts. It was going to happen. We took less and are not in BK.
It took them several rounds to catch up to our cuts. BK? Who cares. U and UAL and Delta are all still flying arent they?
The worst thing we had at APFA was a complete inept president. That has changed.
Well you are still stuck with the contract, has that changed?
They will choose between TWU, AFA, or PFAA, if it comes to that. Nothing saying it will. Really they need to go you U and UAL and see how bad AFA really is. Look at DAL, they choose no union over AFA.
DAL also chose no union over the TWU. The TWU blew $2 million on that drive.
Of 19,000 fa's only 5,500 voted for AFA. They spent so much money there they had to be rescued by CWA. This is not a union I would want to represent of have access to spend my dues dollars.
They did a lot better than the TWU. The CWA is probably one of the better unions out there. The AFA rejected other unions.
What really needs to happen is a complete reorganization of the airline labor movement. There is no logic to the structure. Its simply and cash cow to several different organizations. The fact is that as transportation workers we are in a good position to be strong, but our fractured, inefficient , ineffective unions robb us of our potential. WE need to consolidate. I dont care what three or four letter prefix is put out in front (as long as its not Jim -AA management- Littles TWU). We need to consolidate. I support consolidation either along craft lines or as an entire industry. With the courts and the companies working together to screw us we cant afford to be spectators or divided. I'll say it again, back when UAL threatened to go to court to get their labor agreements abrogated the entire airline labor movement should have said that when the first contract is voided we are all going out. (By the way when I first sent that out Jim Little e-mailed me and demanded that I retract that statement). As far as I'm concerned such an action would be a political expression (because it would be challenging the courts actions, much the way Martin Luther King did) and not a violation of the RLA which prohibits economic actions without being released by the NMB.
