Why not just give us the numbers?
Teamsters filed at USAir for representation
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And I answered it. Where is your answer? Are you for ten more years like the last, or change?
I didn't see where anyone denied that what happened at NWA was bad for the profession, but NWA/AMFA was not the start, it was the result of what really started in 2002 when all the Unions stood by and allowed USAIR to rape their workers under the bankruptcy code. Had all the unions stood together and made it clear that they would support the workers at USAIR as they went through the process and not allow the courts to selectively apply the RLA things may have been different. It was accelerated when the Unions at AA agreed to even more draconian cuts without even filing for BK and it went even further when the courts stripped us of the rights that all other workers in this country have to strike with their decision against the NWA Flight attendants. The NWA debacle was not an isolated event, it was one of many failures in the Labor Movement as a whole. The big difference is the guys at NWA were the only ones who went swinging instead of bending over. No other worker, no other entity is stripped of their rights in BK like airline workers, yet to this day the Unions that we pay money to have done nothing to correct this gross miscarriage of justice or even bring it to the attention of the American people. The AFL-CIO and the IBT runs around touting their wealth and power, but still nothing has been done about this.As far as the strike at NWA, from what I heard the recommendation from Delle Femme was to stay on the property, the members voted to strike, are you saying that in the future should the members of the IBT vote to strike that the Leadership would overrule their vote and force them to accept concessions? At AA we voted to Strike, we voted to request release, we voted down a concessionary deal yet the leadership of the TWU refused to move things forward, are you saying that the IBT would do the same and ignore the vote of the members until they can get a majority to vote the way they want them to vote and pay an extra $300/year for that? Does anyone outsource more than IBT represented UPS? But the fact is that any one of us would sure like to be working there.
Bob iI will leave you alone now with this advise . I'm ALL in with IAM/TWU .You should be too . I will let other M/R /Workers on this forum try with you because you don't give a dam about what a 35 yr. Ramper / Airline Worker is saying. I don't know who has harder heads and are their on worst enemy in this Industry ? Mechanics or Pilots ? Good Luck !
I will not vote in favor of a deal that splits up my work group between two unions. That's an Airline Executives dream come true, structural division. We need for the TWU or IAM to unite us as one for our benefit and not split our dues for their benefit. If you want to split us up then put all maintenance in one and fleet in the other but the way they want to split us up is totally unacceptable. I saw the agreement, its an abomination that takes even more power away from elected representatives who are accountable and puts it in the hands of the appointed. The idea that if I'm in New York I will be paying dues to the TWU but if I transfer to Boston I will be paying them to the IAM is nuts. The deal does nothing for the members and is a disaster in the making. If they aren't willing to fight to get us why would we expect that they would be willing for fight for us (against the company)? This plan they have is even worse than the IBT/CWA deal. Its a mishmash of confusion where there is no clear rhyme or reason from a members perspective why we end up in the union that we end up in. Boston-IAM, JFK-TWU, EWR which contractually is part of the one station agreement- IAM, PHL- IAM, RDU- TWU, Charlotte-IAM. Even though we all work under the same deal we might be paying different dues. This is a business deal to divvy out dues revenue and has no consideration as far as building a solid unified membership that will be able to take on the largest airline in the world, instead it takes the two weakest Unions with the worst deals in the industry and structurally divides their members up , making them even weaker. Maybe some of you fleet guys at US who choose to remain nameless are OK with it but the Fleet guys I know at AA aren't any more enthusiastic about it than the mechanics. Then again with Little's departure in September or a possible IBT win at USAIR we may see the whole abomination disappear. We can only hope
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Our views? What about your absurd "quick-to-blame" excuses? What about your "perfect fictional little world"?
Anomaly, on 23 July 2013 - 03:52 AM, said:
You say the NWA mechanics did this for the good of the industry? I say the amfa provided a road map that other carriers were able to learn from in order to gut wages and pensions from their respective employees. I thank the amfa leadership at NWA for teaching UA how to maneuver a bankruptcy and steal my pension, wages, and benefits.
Your long winded stint on the ibt soap box still hasn't made this "fiction" of yours into truth.
Nice try.
Bob, other than the association what do you think is best for AA mechanics? AMFA filed short and its not like the IBT will be any better than the TWU, there will only be different issues. I respect your contributions here and dedication to your members and agree the association will only further blur lines of accountability. Seems this is an attempt for the two unions to maintain their dues flow and complacent appointed leaders to stay in their cushy rolls.
Josh
Good god you sound identical as if NWA management posted this statement. You constantly "praise" NWA management for a great job that they performed. What you fail to see or mention is that AMFA at NWA was the "ONLY" mechanics union that took a stand against concessions at "ANY" of the airlines, PERIOD. No other unions that went thru BK's and or concessions without BK, put up any kind of fight for their members as did AMFA at NWA. And this is why none of the airline companies want AMFA to get in at their carriers. Which is also why American helped the teamsters and TWU keep AMFA from getting in. We all have witnessed the ending disaster at the AMFA/NWA strike. AMFA has admitted their mistakes made during this time, but it was not all AMFA's fault. At least AMFA had the balls to fight against the concessions in our industry. no other union can say this, the rest just agreed and complied with all the companies demands without putting up any kind of a fight as AMFA did at NWA. Your post giving all the rah-rah's to the management team at NWA speaks volumes. Pls keep posting, your doing great...
Bob, you know this is the typical Anomaly post after he has been stumped or caught in his lies and fabrications. After we catch him in a couple more he will once again disappear for awhile, just like he does over and over again.
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AMFA filed short?
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Assuming there will be a ballot. Yes AMFA can and will be on the ballot with the third choice of a WRITE IN if enough educated AMT's and related decide too.
TRAVIS
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Here ya go Bob.
http://www.teamster.org/sites/teamster.org/files/USAir_WageRateComparison-Sept28.pdf
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Have A Nice IBT Night.
