Teamsters filed at USAir for representation

[1AA]

I have been reading up on the UAL IBT T/A CONTRACT and It looks like you can make a pinch over $40.00?????

[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]article 15- compensation - The Taxi /Run Premium which is an additional $1.00 per hour pay. [/background]
[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]That would take a LEAD A PINCH OVER $40.00 If what I'am reading is correct in the T/A.[/background]

Chew Tobacco Chew Tobacco Spit.

Have A Nice IBT DAY.

Haven't you heard? The UAL/CAL negotiations is on a self imposed cool off period for now. Who knows when they will resume. My friend at Continental informed me last week that the T/A your boasting about has been shot down. He said everytime a T/A is agreed on either the UAL guys approve or the CAL guys shoot it down or vise versa. Both sides can not agree on a similar T/A because of differences in work rules, seniority and transfer/bumping rights.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I have been reading up on the UAL IBT T/A CONTRACT and It looks like you can make a pinch over $40.00?????

[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]article 15- compensation - The Taxi /Run Premium which is an additional $1.00 per hour pay. [/background]
[background=rgb(252, 252, 252)]That would take a LEAD A PINCH OVER $40.00 If what I'am reading is correct in the T/A.[/background]

Chew Tobacco Chew Tobacco Spit.

Have A Nice IBT DAY.

TAXI/RUN Pay is a situational premium. If you truly read the language why not quote it here?

Article 15.L

Effective Date of Ratification, employees covered by this Agreement who are Taxi and/or Taxi Run Up certified on any one (1) of the Company’s aircraft types shall receive a Taxi/Taxi Run Up premium of one dollar ($1.00) per hour for eight (8) or ten (10)
hours, whichever is applicable, for each shift in which they perform an aircraft Taxi or Engine Run Up. This Taxi/Run premium will be added to the employee’s base rate of pay for all pay purposes.

You only get paid on days you TAXI or RUN Engines. As a mechanic who has spent the majority of his career in SFO, and over 7+ of that at the line, I can tell you here and now NO ONE does TAXI or RUN duties every day, LEAST OF ALL A LEAD MECHANIC.

Nice Try TRAVIS.

 

[700UW]

Lol. Well, It sucked that the TWU hammered those TWA IAM members but Roach waiving scope/seniority protections at Crandall's insistence was classic IAM. I'm not sure if "I'll Ask Management" or PJ's "I am Management" fits better.

Why dont you tell the whole truth, mr spin?

AA told all the unions at TWA, not just the IAM that if any of them didnt waive their LPPs they would not buy TWA and TWA would have gone Chapter 7.

 

[TRAVIS]

TAXI/RUN Pay is a situational premium. If you truly read the language why not quote it here?

Article 15.L

Effective Date of Ratification, employees covered by this Agreement who are Taxi and/or Taxi Run Up certified on any one (1) of the Company’s aircraft types shall receive a Taxi/Taxi Run Up premium of one dollar ($1.00) per hour for eight (8) or ten (10)
hours, whichever is applicable, for each shift in which they perform an aircraft Taxi or Engine Run Up. This Taxi/Run premium will be added to the employee’s base rate of pay for all pay purposes.

You only get paid on days you TAXI or RUN Engines. As a mechanic who has spent the majority of his career in SFO, and over 7+ of that at the line, I can tell you here and now NO ONE does TAXI or RUN duties every day, LEAST OF ALL A LEAD MECHANIC.

Nice Try TRAVIS.

My Point Being If You Did You Would Be At $40.11 Is That Right.....!
As a LEAD on B-check I would taxi and run engines almost ever day at AWA.

 

[blue collar]

My Point Being If You Did You Would Be At $40.11 Is That Right.....!
As a LEAD on B-check I would taxi and run engines almost ever day at AWA.

So you were one of what, 4 or 5 leads? I know there were only a few crews. So you've narrowed yourself down to who you might be...

 

[Anomaly]

TAXI/RUN Pay is a situational premium. If you truly read the language why not quote it here?

Article 15.L

Effective Date of Ratification, employees covered by this Agreement who are Taxi and/or Taxi Run Up certified on any one (1) of the Company’s aircraft types shall receive a Taxi/Taxi Run Up premium of one dollar ($1.00) per hour for eight (8) or ten (10)
hours, whichever is applicable, for each shift in which they perform an aircraft Taxi or Engine Run Up. This Taxi/Run premium will be added to the employee’s base rate of pay for all pay purposes.

You only get paid on days you TAXI or RUN Engines. As a mechanic who has spent the majority of his career in SFO, and over 7+ of that at the line, I can tell you here and now NO ONE does TAXI or RUN duties every day, LEAST OF ALL A LEAD MECHANIC.

Nice Try TRAVIS.

But there are some of us who run/taxi way more often than others and for a majority of the week. Did you consider dst and training leads? How about the many line stations outside of SFO who operate on different parameters than the Base/Line system of SFO? You are, as usual speaking from within the confines of your tiny little box. Working gates on days and swings I would not expect you to know this, but try coming to midnights where the real work gets done and you may find a whole new world.

Well done Travis for catching what so many others were so willing to dismiss. I run at least one engine a majority of the week. Runs are required nightly and while it is true that there are nights I do not run, for one reason or another, most nights there is no problem sitting in either the left or right seat or picking up a morning Taxi. The nights I do not collect this pay have been my choice. With this premium added to my pay my normal wage rate is a pinch above $40.

What strikes me odd TSH is that you do not know our pay rate? My pay stub on the UA site has my regular pay at $38.77 as a 29 year lead. Add to this my midnight differential of .61 cents plus my $1.00 run/taxi premium I perform MUCH more often in any given week and my nightly wage total is $40.38. Using this pay and discounted for the full 7 weeks of vacation( we don not earn run/taxi premiums while on vacation), without OT my annual pay would be just over $83,700. (I did work a lot of overtime last year so I made more).

Again this is just SFO where maintenance runs and aircraft moves via taxi are frequent, but not nearly as much as some of the other stations. All of the rest of the hubs employ move crews who spend the entire shift doing nothing but moving aircraft mostly by way of aircraft power. LAX, DEN, ORD, IAD all have large move crews. Other stations like JFK, and SEA also move a large amount of aircraft and depend on taxi crews to do this. Beyond the taxi's are the required maintenance runs as part of routine checks or as a result of a flight crew or maintenance write up. The point is, there are many of us who have come to consider the taxi run up premium a normal part of our pay.

This was much more detailed personal information than I wanted to share and normally I would not, but I suppose I did get the ball rolling when I shared that fact that I did make over $40. an hour. It is simply unfortunate how some will cast aspersions to increase their own positions. TSH, you attack what the IBT has negotiated for us rather than point out what the IAM has been unable to do at other airlines. I just do not understand you or your end game?

 

[TRAVIS]

So you were one of what, 4 or 5 leads? I know there were only a few crews. So you've narrowed yourself down to who you might be...

Let Me Narrow It Down More AWA B-Check LAS.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

But there are some of us who run/taxi way more often than others and for a majority of the week. Did you consider dst and training leads? How about the many line stations outside of SFO who operate on different parameters than the Base/Line system of SFO? You are, as usual speaking from within the confines of your tiny little box. Working gates on days and swings I would not expect you to know this, but try coming to midnights where the real work gets done and you may find a whole new world.

Well done Travis for catching what so many others were so willing to dismiss. I run at least one engine a majority of the week. Runs are required nightly and while it is true that there are nights I do not run, for one reason or another, most nights there is no problem sitting in either the left or right seat or picking up a morning Taxi. The nights I do not collect this pay have been my choice. With this premium added to my pay my normal wage rate is a pinch above $40.

What strikes me odd TSH is that you do not know our pay rate? My pay stub on the UA site has my regular pay at $38.77 as a 29 year lead. Add to this my midnight differential of .61 cents plus my $1.00 run/taxi premium I perform MUCH more often in any given week and my nightly wage total is $40.38. Using this pay and discounted for the full 7 weeks of vacation( we don not earn run/taxi premiums while on vacation), without OT my annual pay would be just over $83,700. (I did work a lot of overtime last year so I made more).

Again this is just SFO where maintenance runs and aircraft moves via taxi are frequent, but not nearly as much as some of the other stations. All of the rest of the hubs employ move crews who spend the entire shift doing nothing but moving aircraft mostly by way of aircraft power. LAX, DEN, ORD, IAD all have large move crews. Other stations like JFK, and SEA also move a large amount of aircraft and depend on taxi crews to do this. Beyond the taxi's are the required maintenance runs as part of routine checks or as a result of a flight crew or maintenance write up. The point is, there are many of us who have come to consider the taxi run up premium a normal part of our pay.

This was much more detailed personal information than I wanted to share and normally I would not, but I suppose I did get the ball rolling when I shared that fact that I did make over $40. an hour. It is simply unfortunate how some will cast aspersions to increase their own positions. TSH, you attack what the IBT has negotiated for us rather than point out what the IAM has been unable to do at other airlines. I just do not understand you or your end game?

Allow me yet again to call you out as a LIAR.

You have claimed to be a Midnight Line Lead Mechanic in SFO....

...But there are some of us who run/taxi way more often than others and for a majority of the week....

A mechanic maybe, a lead...no.

...try coming to midnights where the real work gets done and you may find a whole new world...

I did work midnights on the line, which is why I know this "new world" is just another of your fantasies

...Runs are required nightly.....

No, try again.

....What strikes me odd TSH is that you do not know our pay rate?...

I do know our pay rates, which is exactly why I challenged your BS story. Which now leads us to this....

...Add to this my midnight differential of .61 cents...

.61 cents? What contract are you using to build this little fantasy of yours? Here is what our current CBA states .

Employees shall be paid fifty-one (51) cents per hour shift premium as additional compensation over their basic hourly rate for all hours paid in which the shift commences work outside the hours of between 0500 and up until 1000, except for those employees who commence work between the hours of 1601 and up until 0459, who will be paid fifty-eight (58) cents per hour shift premium as additional compensation. The relief mechanic that rotates between shifts during a workweek will be paid fifty-eight (58) cents
shift premium for all hours paid.

And finally this...

...Again this is just SFO where maintenance runs and aircraft moves via taxi are frequent...

Moves via taxi are not frequent on midnights in SFO, where most are handled though Super Tug/Tow crews. Days & Swings Taxi more simply due to time constraints at the gate, and to minimize impact during daytime operations. The fact that you don't know this speaks volumes.

You may be a lead somewhere, but its not on Midnights at the Line.

 

[Anomaly]

Allow me yet again to call you out as a LIAR.

You have claimed to be a Midnight Line Lead Mechanic in SFO....

...But there are some of us who run/taxi way more often than others and for a majority of the week....

A mechanic maybe, a lead...no.

...try coming to midnights where the real work gets done and you may find a whole new world...

I did work midnights on the line, which is why I know this "new world" is just another of your fantasies

...Runs are required nightly.....

No, try again.

....What strikes me odd TSH is that you do not know our pay rate?...

I do know our pay rates, which is exactly why I challenged your BS story. Which now leads us to this....

...Add to this my midnight differential of .61 cents...

.61 cents? What contract are you using to build this little fantasy of yours? Here is what our current CBA states .



And finally this...

...Again this is just SFO where maintenance runs and aircraft moves via taxi are frequent...

Moves via taxi are not frequent on midnights in SFO, where most are handled though Super Tug/Tow crews. Days & Swings Taxi more simply due to time constraints at the gate, and to minimize impact during daytime operations. The fact that you don't know this speaks volumes.

You may be a lead somewhere, but its not on Midnights at the Line.

Sure thing guy. I guess you know my job and what I do better than me.

With only 7 years on the line I would say you still have a lot to learn. Stay at the gates, you will be fine.

What you tried to do is cover and sidestep the original subject of your disagreement to my post. The subject is; in this current IBT negotiated agreement I explained that some of us do in fact make over $40 an hour. I explained what it is and you have no real argument for that save one, but still you are incorrect (as usual). The shift differential IS INDEED slightly higher for leads, but I am not about to post my pay stub as proof.

Swing shift leads get .54 cents and midnight leads get .61cents and it is stated on our electronic paycheck stubs. How about this TSH.... why not talk to your lead tonight and ask if he will let you take a peek at what he is paid for shift differential? Let us know what you find out, but I want you to look at his stub and do a little math. Simple request and if I am lying about it, as you say, I will quietly leave this forum. I will explain how it works out when you report back the answer.

Coming back here and admitting you were wrong (again) will do plenty to reveal the BS that is so often associated with your posts. I will not be too shocked when I do not hear from you on the subject.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Sure thing guy. I guess you know my job and what I do better than me.

With only 7 years on the line I would say you still have a lot to learn. Stay at the gates, you will be fine.

What you tried to do is cover and sidestep the original subject of your disagreement to my post. The subject is; in this current IBT negotiated agreement I explained that some of us do in fact make over $40 an hour. I explained what it is and you have no real argument for that save one, but still you are incorrect (as usual). The shift differential IS INDEED slightly higher for leads, but I am not about to post my pay stub as proof.

Swing shift leads get .54 cents and midnight leads get .61cents and it is stated on our electronic paycheck stubs. How about this TSH.... why not talk to your lead tonight and ask if he will let you take a peek at what he is paid for shift differential? Let us know what you find out, but I want you to look at his stub and do a little math. Simple request and if I am lying about it, as you say, I will quietly leave this forum. I will explain how it works out when you report back the answer.

Coming back here and admitting you were wrong (again) will do plenty to reveal the BS that is so often associated with your posts. I will not be too shocked when I do not hear from you on the subject.

Sidestepping the original subject? LMFAO!

Lets review? After you made your claim to a pinch over $40, I challenged you on it at least three separate times. In between, Bob Owens asked you at least twice. "Never mind not answering" was what you replied. Why the dodge? Our CBA is public knowledge, you freely volunteered you were a midnight lead on the line, simply directing someone to the numbers in the CBA gives away nothing else about you, so again WHY THE DODGE?

Cue your teamster parrot TRAVIS, who tries to float the ibt propaganda wage scales in your defense, which was easily debunked. - Still, not a word of explanation from you yourself to validate your initial claim - then TRAVIS tries to float the Taxi/Run pay as a solution. Only then do you chime in with your laughable fantasy of midnight line ops in SFO. Sorry, Taxi/Run is a situational premium, something even the ibt organizing dept wasn't foolish enough to try and float on their wage scale propaganda - you did see the notation on the flyer - ..."All in Rate" is for a 20 year A&P mechanic on the flight line working midnights... Now certainly the teamsters wouldn't pass up the opportunity to toot their own horn, about their teamster power in negotiations, if engines are being run every night as you say, and taxiing is so easy to be had then why didn't the ibt add it to the scale and boost their posted "All in Rate" even higher?

YOU took us down this particular thread offshoot, after dodging the question at least 5 different times. Its your silence that tells the truth of the tale, Your claims of being over $40 an hour while trying to rely on Taxi/Run - as a lead no less - are utter nonsense. Go on and cling to your foolishness you're fooling no one.

You say I'm sidestepping? Well if thats true then you're out there square-dancing.

Thanks for the laugh

 

[Anomaly]

Chirp, chirp chirp......

The sounds of crickets.......

TSH has the perfect opportunity to shut me up, if he can just admit he was wrong. You did everything but answer the simple challenge. If lead pay on midnights is not $.61 cents, I will quietly slip away. Have you checked with your lead yet? Were you too busy dodging?

For the rest, the company is going to offer a $1.00 premium to do an engine run or taxi. All those dripping gang drains at the end of a flight suddenly become more interesting. Limits should be verified. Do any of you know how to best do this? Please share with TSH.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Chirp, chirp chirp......

The sounds of crickets.......

TSH has the perfect opportunity to shut me up, if he can just admit he was wrong. You did everything but answer the simple challenge. If lead pay on midnights is not $.61 cents, I will quietly slip away. Have you checked with your lead yet? Were you too busy dodging?

For the rest, the company is going to offer a $1.00 premium to do an engine run or taxi. All those dripping gang drains at the end of a flight suddenly become more interesting. Limits should be verified. Do any of you know how to best do this? Please share with TSH.

Chirp, chirp chirp......? The sounds of crickets.......?

Must be the same ones I listen to every time I ask you to justify this laugher of yours.

Anomaly, on 23 July 2013 - 01:52 AM, said:
You say the NWA mechanics did this for the good of the industry? I say the amfa provided a road map that other carriers were able to learn from in order to gut wages and pensions from their respective employees. I thank the amfa leadership at NWA for teaching UA how to maneuver a bankruptcy and steal my pension, wages, and benefits.

I pass two of my old line leads nearly everyday at shift change, so I'll make the inquiry into shift differential, and I'll be sure to post my results here.......right after I'm done reading how you reconcile your post above.

Hey did you hear that?

Chirp, chirp chirp......

 

[xUT]

Chirp, chirp chirp......

The sounds of crickets.......

TSH has the perfect opportunity to shut me up, if he can just admit he was wrong. You did everything but answer the simple challenge. If lead pay on midnights is not $.61 cents, I will quietly slip away. Have you checked with your lead yet? Were you too busy dodging?

For the rest, the company is going to offer a $1.00 premium to do an engine run or taxi. All those dripping gang drains at the end of a flight suddenly become more interesting. Limits should be verified. Do any of you know how to best do this? Please share with TSH.

BBAAAHHHH!
61 cents an hour for midnights lead and your bragging.
61 cents...
61 cents...
Midnights.... BBBBAAAAHHHAAAA!!!!
58 cents swing shift, 61 cents midnights....
He11 that's a whole $62.40 A YEAR!
BBBBBAAAAAHHHHHH!
B) xUT

 

[1AA]

Chirp, chirp chirp......

The sounds of crickets.......

TSH has the perfect opportunity to shut me up, if he can just admit he was wrong. You did everything but answer the simple challenge. If lead pay on midnights is not $.61 cents, I will quietly slip away. Have you checked with your lead yet? Were you too busy dodging?

For the rest, the company is going to offer a $1.00 premium to do an engine run or taxi. All those dripping gang drains at the end of a flight suddenly become more interesting. Limits should be verified. Do any of you know how to best do this? Please share with TSH.

While your waiting listening to the sound of crickets read this.

http://www.tdu.org/media/teamsters-pension-plan-stuck-crisis

 

[1AA]

Teamster in trouble with the AA filing.

Teamsters ask for more time on American Airlines election case after TWU accuses organizers of falsifying signatures

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/07/teamsters-ask-for-more-time-on-american-airlines-election-case-after-twu-accuses-organizers-of-falsifying-signatures.html/