Teamsters filed at USAir for representation

[blue collar]

Better off iam than IBT.. Are you kidding me?? There it is. According to blue collar, choose iam and settle for $34 (eventually......maybe). I am a pinch over $40 with my IBT contract. How 'bout them apples blue collar??

Anomaly-
You're the one who said in another post that you shouldn't try for an industry leading contract, because they're unsustainable. So that's what you have, and I'm sure US will get something along the lines of UAL.
Travis-
I could care less who you vote for, if I were still there I know who I'd be voting for; no need to increase my dues for same type of representation.

 

[700UW]

Wow, IBT FRAUD!

http://www.thestreet.com/print/story/11986583.html

- The Transport Workers Union claims two Teamster organizers admitted their union submitted forged signatures as it sought to gather enough signed cards to require a representation election among mechanics and related workers at American (AAMRQ.PK).

The International Brotherhood of Teamsters denies the charge. In an email, David Bourne, director of the IBT's airline division, called it "a diversionary scheme to bring the Teamsters into public disrepute."

Late Tuesday, the TWU filed documents including affidavits from two organizers, in advance of a National Mediation Board meeting Wednesday where board officials will hear challenges by the TWU to the signatures gathered by the Teamsters and by both unions to the list of eligible voters submitted by the airline.

In order to have the NMB call an election, a union must submit signatures from 50% plus one of eligible voters.
The meeting had been scheduled for July 16, but was delayed at the Teamsters' request, a TWU spokesman said. The TWU did not say how many signatures were forged. The bargaining unit includes about 11,500 mechanics and related workers.
Names and titles have been redacted from the affidavits. In one, the IBT organizer said, "There were multiple cards from the same workers with different signatures (and) there were authorization cards from at least 1,500 workers who had never been seen, spoken to or assessed." He said the person who submitted the cards had been sent from Tulsa to another site to work for six months before resigning.

In the second affidavit, an organizer said he was told that rather than visit workers another organizer "sat in his car and filled out house call sheets and falsely signed authorization cards." He added, "I was also told that there were situations where one card came in from the real worker and another from (redacted) and they could see the signatures were different." But "IBT chose to ignore the issue," he said.

 

[Anomaly]

What amazes me is how most of these unions are the same thing and have blowed and lacked fight, other than the occassional barbie tantrum, yet each has a set of pollyannas that serve it.
The ibt hammering the ua mx betraying promises and splitting the sfo mx up was childish and shows how bad politics reek. Twu might as well buy some heels with that dress, and the iam is just an alias for management but some of us are stuck with it. And amfas leadership arrogance at nwa was appalling. Honestly, there isnt much difference in any of these unions other than the camps that certain sets of mx are divided in.
Im in fleet service and we have problems but not to the embarrassment level of the industry mx who are divided up in so many camps that they fall farther behind where they should be.

Agreed on many points. Mechanics have always had a tendency to shoot ourselves in the foot. Sticking our foot in our mouths first tends to compound the situation.

"Can't we all just get along"....

I seriously doubt that would ever happen. Our egos are all much to large.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Midnight Lead.

Still waiting for that explanation ......Base + 2 Lic + Longevity + Line + offshift premium x 5% Lead =..... sorry, still not ...... a pinch over $40

 

[TRAVIS]

Anomaly What was the vote count when you guys at UAL KICKED AMFA OUT?
Just wanted to know how many of these a$$ chapped amfa boys may be lurking around?

 

[Just Another BK]

Still waiting for that explanation ......Base + 2 Lic + Longevity + Line + offshift premium x 5% Lead =..... sorry, still not ...... a pinch over $40

US Inspector =Base Rate +5%= $31.72+$3.50LP+.51SecShft=$35.73 (no other premiums). Now if we get a 10% =$39.41. Right up with the other two bigs + 104/yr of service IAMPF + date of hire + swaps + 18% Med/Den + 10 vac + 5 weeks ( asking for 6). You might dislike some of the way your locals do business but I'm looking only at the print. I thought I figured a UAL Inspector at $38.50.

 

[1AA]

Anomaly What was the vote count when you guys at UAL KICKED AMFA OUT?
Just wanted to know how many of these a$$ chapped amfa boys may be lurking around?

And while your at it let us know the numbers at SWA when they kicked out the Teamsters.

As long as unions like the Teamsters are around AMFA will ALWAYS be here to support the profession and not exploit it like the IBT and TWU have done over the years.

BTW did you read the latest release on the forgery of cards at AA?
The NMB will now conduct an investigation. Read the article and see how YOUR IBT will go to any length to get cards signed. About 400 cards were forged. The other 1300 cards they are challenging are from guys with recall rights back into title I and II. It was OK to include them at UAL but not at AA. Thats your Teamsters at work to manipulate enough cards for an election. Too bad they miss calculated the eligability count.

Have a wonderful IBT day Travis.

 

[swamt]

And while your at it let us know the numbers at SWA when they kicked out the Teamsters.

As long as unions like the Teamsters are around AMFA will ALWAYS be here to support the profession and not exploit it like the IBT and TWU have done over the years.

BTW did you read the latest release on the forgery of cards at AA?
The NMB will now conduct an investigation. Read the article and see how YOUR IBT will go to any length to get cards signed. About 400 cards were forged. The other 1300 cards they are challenging are from guys with recall rights back into title I and II. It was OK to include them at UAL but not at AA. Thats your Teamsters at work to manipulate enough cards for an election. Too bad they miss calculated the eligability count.

Have a wonderful IBT day Travis.

Just in case he has not read the release, here it is for his reading enjoyment:


NMB to Hear TWU Charge That Teamsters Forged Signatures

Ted Reed

07/24/13 - 06:44 AM EDT

WASHINGTON (TheStreet) -- The Transport Workers Union claims two Teamster organizers admitted their union submitted forged signatures as it sought to gather enough signed cards to require a representation election among mechanics and related workers at American (AAMRQ.PK).

The International Brotherhood of Teamsters denies the charge. In an email, David Bourne, director of the IBT's airline division, called it "a diversionary scheme to bring the Teamsters into public disrepute."

Late Tuesday, the TWU filed documents including affidavits from two organizers, in advance of a National Mediation Board meeting Wednesday where board officials will hear challenges by the TWU to the signatures gathered by the Teamsters and by both unions to the list of eligible voters submitted by the airline.

In order to have the NMB call an election, a union must submit signatures from 50% plus one of eligible voters.

The meeting had been scheduled for July 16, but was delayed at the Teamsters' request, a TWU spokesman said. The TWU did not say how many signatures were forged. The bargaining unit includes about 11,500 mechanics and related workers.

Names and titles have been redacted from the affidavits. In one, the IBT organizer said, "There were multiple cards from the same workers with different signatures (and) there were authorization cards from at least 1,500 workers who had never been seen, spoken to or assessed." He said the person who submitted the cards had been sent from Tulsa to another site to work for six months before resigning.

In the second affidavit, an organizer said he was told that rather than visit workers another organizer "sat in his car and filled out house call sheets and falsely signed authorization cards." He added, "I was also told that there were situations where one card came in from the real worker and another from (redacted) and they could see the signatures were different." But "IBT chose to ignore the issue," he said.

In its filing, the TWU said "these reports do not come from unidentified 'spies' placed by the TWU into the IBT's operations, but rather from professional organizers from the IBT organizing department. One of these organizers was directly involved in the IBT's raid on the TWU, and the other was in regular contact with IBT organizers and professional staff involved with the campaign."

The Teamsters have called the charges "utterly baseless" in a filing.

"We deny any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing in the campaign by American Airlines mechanics and related workers to achieve Teamsters representation," Bourne said. "TWU is desperately trying to maintain a membership that is no longer interested in its concessionary, failed representation.

"The NMB is conducting its routine eligibility verification process and we trust its findings will finally clear the way for the workers at American Airlines to choose new, strong representation," he said. "Our focus has always been and remains achieving the highest standards and protections for aircraft mechanics and related workers."

On May 28, the IBT announced that it had submitted an undisclosed number of signatures in support of a representation election at American. On May 7, the union said it had submitted 2,800 signatures from about 4,500 US Airways (LCC).mechanics and related workers, active and inactive. A month later, the NMB announced it had set the dates for a union representation election at US Airways. Voting began July 8: votes will be counted August 12.


"THE THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO, HMMMMMM!!!" LOL! Gotta love this stuff...

 

[Anomaly]

Anomaly What was the vote count when you guys at UAL KICKED AMFA OUT?
Just wanted to know how many of these a$$ chapped amfa boys may be lurking around?

8600 eligible active and inactive mechanics with recall rights.
4,113 Teamsters to 2,631 amfa
75% participation

Compare this to the amfa victory over the IAM less than 5 years before.

13,144 were eligible
5,234 voted for amfa 2,992 voted for the IAM.
4,918 did not bother to vote.

amfa never really did hold the support of the majority at UA. Many amfa blowhards will argue that, but the proof should lay in the history. amfa was removed in less than 5 years. Even these guys can't argue or spin facts such as these.

.... forget I said that last line. They will...

 

[Anomaly]

never mind - not worth it

 

[TRAVIS]

8600 eligible active and inactive mechanics with recall rights.
4,113 Teamsters to 2,631 amfa
75% participation

Compare this to the amfa victory over the IAM less than 5 years before.

13,144 were eligible
5,234 voted for amfa 2,992 voted for the IAM.
4,918 did not bother to vote.

amfa never really did hold the support of the majority at UA. Many amfa blowhards will argue that, but the proof should lay in the history. amfa was removed in less than 5 years. Even these guys can't argue or spin facts such as these.

.... forget I said that last line. They will...

WOW AMFA LOST 4,544 MEMBERS! MATH 101 IAM/AMFA=13,144 Eligible to vote and IBT/AMFA=8,600 Eligible to vote.
AMFA LOST MORE MEMBERS AT UAL THAN THEY HAVE AS A TOTAL AMFA MEMBERSHIP and Now add the NWA AMT's. :wacko: :angry:

What a shame,

 

[700UW]

The IBT is losing more members every year than any other union, thats why your raiding and not organizing.

 

[TRAVIS]

And while your at it let us know the numbers at SWA when they kicked out the Teamsters.

As long as unions like the Teamsters are around AMFA will ALWAYS be here to support the profession and not exploit it like the IBT and TWU have done over the years.

BTW did you read the latest release on the forgery of cards at AA?
The NMB will now conduct an investigation. Read the article and see how YOUR IBT will go to any length to get cards signed. About 400 cards were forged. The other 1300 cards they are challenging are from guys with recall rights back into title I and II. It was OK to include them at UAL but not at AA. Thats your Teamsters at work to manipulate enough cards for an election. Too bad they miss calculated the eligability count.

Have a wonderful IBT day Travis.

Just to remind you The IBT was on property for around 20 years and in that time SWA received the largest pay jumps Negotiated BY THE TEAMSTERS NOT amfa.

You saidAMFA will ALWAYS be here to support the profession) AT THE RATE OF AMFA SUPPORT THERE WILL NOT BE MANY OF US PROFESSIONALS TO SUPPORT.

BTW DO YOU TRUST THE TWU......? ("We deny any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing in the campaign by American Airlines mechanics and related workers to achieve Teamsters representation," Bourne said. "TWU is desperately trying to maintain a membership that is no longer interested in its concessionary, failed representation. )

Have a Blessed IBT day 1AA

 

[1AA]

Just to remind you The IBT was on property for around 20 years and in that time SWA received the largest pay jumps Negotiated BY THE TEAMSTERS NOT amfa.

You saidAMFA will ALWAYS be here to support the profession) AT THE RATE OF AMFA SUPPORT THERE WILL NOT BE MANY OF US PROFESSIONALS TO SUPPORT.

BTW DO YOU TRUST THE TWU......? ("We deny any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing in the campaign by American Airlines mechanics and related workers to achieve Teamsters representation," Bourne said. "TWU is desperately trying to maintain a membership that is no longer interested in its concessionary, failed representation. )

Have a Blessed IBT day 1AA

I hear you talking but your lips are not moving.

 

[swamt]

Just to remind you The IBT was on property for around 20 years and in that time SWA received the largest pay jumps Negotiated BY THE TEAMSTERS NOT amfa.

You saidAMFA will ALWAYS be here to support the profession) AT THE RATE OF AMFA SUPPORT THERE WILL NOT BE MANY OF US PROFESSIONALS TO SUPPORT.

BTW DO YOU TRUST THE TWU......? ("We deny any wrongdoing or knowledge of wrongdoing in the campaign by American Airlines mechanics and related workers to achieve Teamsters representation," Bourne said. "TWU is desperately trying to maintain a membership that is no longer interested in its concessionary, failed representation. )

Have a Blessed IBT day 1AA

Travis, I would like to correct only one part of your statement that I have copied from your post;
"Just to remind you The IBT was on property for around 20 years and in that time SWA received the largest pay jumps Negotiated BY THE TEAMSTERS NOT amfa."
B/C you said, "in that time" your statement is completely false. My local has every single teamster contract since they have been here at SWA, all of them. There was only one largest pay jump that the SWA mechanics were able to enjoy which was the ONE (and only one) that we received in 2001 only a few months after the "industry leading wage scale and bennies" achieved by AMFA at NWA and in which was used directly by the teamsters nego team as the "new example" of industry average of pay for airline mechanics. This was the only "largest pay increase" we have ever enjoyed. All the other years that the teamsters were here we were never leading in pay, not one single time (except for 2001). Every contract with the teamsters prior to 2001 was middle or in lower list of all airlines for pay.
It's not always about the pay (money) Travis. Why do you think we fired the teamsters after signing this contract in 2001?? Please explain that to us all, since you think you know everything that goes on over hear at SWA.
You really need to do your homework before you post information when your trying to get people to follow your lead and vote for the teamsters. It has really damaged your credibility big time. Just a little friendly advice, do with it as you wish, but pls use it wisely...