Teamsters filed at USAir for representation

[700UW]

Buffenbarger made the promotions and Ira is also a lawyer.

And Brickner is retiring, he was off of UA.

 

[Kev3188]

The IAM organizing drive at Delta is really lacking. I have seen some of the organizing materials and it seems like they are using the IAMPF as an organizing tool. I believe that to be incredibly naïve. They just don't listen.

OTOH, the F/A campaign at DL is a grassroots one based on bottom-up organizing. The F/A's have really taken ownership of their future, and the sort of traditional materials- and strategies- Tim notes aren't really being used that much (if at all). The fact that the F/A campaign has huge momentum right now only reinforces that this is the way to go...

 

[Tim Nelson]

OTOH, the F/A campaign at DL is a grassroots one based on bottom-up organizing. The F/A's have really taken ownership of their future, and the sort of traditional materials- and strategies- Tim notes aren't really being used that much (if at all). The fact that the F/A campaign has huge momentum right now only reinforces that this is the way to go...

It has to be grassroots, with INTL support when they need the tech stuff. But best to leave the INTL out of it. They are completely disconnected and think everyone is dumb. regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Buffenbarger made the promotions and Ira is also a lawyer.

And Brickner is retiring, he was off of UA.

Ira is not a lawyer. Sorry. Not that it matters. He is anti labor is all that I know. He supports management 100%. Maybe he should be a lawyer and get out of screwing the working men and women. regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

tim are you helpin to organize dl

No. The IAM has a very difficult time reconciling with the vast majority of its membership that doesn't kiss its arse so they would never approach me.

One thing is for sure, one doesn't have to be a flight attendant to understand and learn a culture. The AirTran reservations and ticket agents were among the strongest and most militant work group that I was able to introduce and culture into representation. regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Excellent ( Non-Deceiving ) post 1AA..... A lesson in financial economics. I prefer a Defined Pension funded by the company myself. One they cant send to the PBGC. I don't like the fact that the IAM pension was cut but it preserved it for the long haul. Our job now is to make sure the companies improve the contribution rate so we get back up to a decent rate x per month.

Mike33,
I realize there is no right or wrong on this but whatever some individual feels most secure with. But to clarify, to keep the current level of $81 past Jan 2014, the company would have to increase the contribution rate from $1.05 to $1.90, or an increase of .85 per hour. Even then, there is no guarantee that the IAM wouldn't reduce schedules again. Would you rather have that .85 in additional wage in your own pocket for every day expenses and bills, reduced medical cost, or perhaps more vacation, than the IAMPF? Or would you rather negotiate that extra .85 and stick it in the IAMPF where you have no control and can't use it?

regards,

 

[Just Another BK]

With a larger pay check I can put more money in 401K and the IBT has proven to have the highest pay scales. Even your man swamt has said swa got their largest raises with the IBT. Have you looked at your pay check? Well mine looks just as poor that's because WE ARE IN THE BOTTOM OF THE BARROW AND THE ONLY WAY OUT IS UP.... I do not want to be stuck under the IAM again and you don't want the TWU and now the two bottom feeder unions want's to tag team both of us. Well My AMT Brother I will go with the Union that Filed the cards I know they have the support.(by the way AMFA has no pension just 401k plan). You do know Mr 700 is a IAM mouth piece!!!
GO IBT
Have A Nice Night.

What kind of LARGER pay check are you dreaming about. If the New AMR gives roughly parity with the other Big 2 you are looking at what 37.50-38.50 Top Scale. No where near SWA and their 2.5 Mechanics per A. The New Big 3 will have around lets say 10 Mechanics per A. You can hope for a 6-7% Match, but Doug is a tight wad and won't give out anymore than he is willing to give. Its my understanding if the IAM is dropped so goes the Pension and what you have put in stays there until 65. I am not sure there is any guarantee our present dollar figure contribution will auto into a 401K until a plan is settled and I highly doubt the Teamsters can wiggle their way into the IAMPF. So I don't know where that came from. A defined benefit plan is definitely the way to go if your looking for less risk and the prospect of a guaranteed monthly figure rather than a gamble in the stock market.

 

[700UW]

If the ibt wins, the day of the certification they IAMPF contributions cease from the company, and what you have accrued in stays as long as you have the five years vested. And you end up with no pension again and no 401k contribution and the ibt will never ever be able to get into the iamnpf.

 

[Tim Nelson]

700, that is not true. The company has to continue making contributions per the contract if the iam is voted out. The procedure calls for a transition into a 401k

 

[700UW]

No tim,

Your information is not true, per the IAMPF and Tom Regan, the contributions will stop immediately and there is nothing in the Mechanic and Related CBA about the company making contributions into anyone's 401k in the absence of the IAMPF.

Stop spreading misinformation.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Btw, 700, im surprised some members are still talking about defined benefit plans anyways.
The academic and professional community have evolved pass the defined benefit plans that are nothing more than backward thinking.
I mean, why give a 3rd party x amount of dollars and allow that party to restrict access to Your money, cut benefits with the spousal offset scam, and suspend or slash future benefits?
How does that beat the tremendous tax advantages, incredible access, user friendly, choice options by just sticking the money in your own account?

I understand the interest of the big pension funds but only monkees wouldnt realize defind benefit plans are like model T fords in this age.

 

[Tim Nelson]

700, if thats the case then the iam should be thrown out on its arse for not providing a transition. I am almost positive you are wrong though because fleet service has the transition, all ua contracts and so did delta. Ill have to check the mx contract.

 

[700UW]

I just read the 08 agreement, there is nothing in it about money being transitioned to the 401k if the M&R cease to be members in the plan and/or IAM and per Tom Regan and a DL 142 GC also.

ARTICLE 21.
2 RETIREMENT
3
4 (A) Effective with the May 23, 2008 paycheck, the current
5 401K/Retirement Plans and Company match will be replaced with the IAM
6 National Pension Plan at the following rates:
7
8 • $1.60 per hour effective May 5, 2008, and $2.00 per hour
9 effective January 3, 2011 for all Planners, Technical
10 Documentation Specialists, Mechanics and higher classifications
11 in accordance with plan rules.
12 • $1.10 per hour effective May 5, 2008, and $1.45 per hour
13 effective January 3, 2011 for all Stock Clerk classifications in
14 accordance with plan rules.
15 • $.85 cents per hour effective May 5, 2008, and $1.05 per hour
16 effective January 3, 2011 for all Utility classifications in
17 accordance with plan rules.
18
19 Employees may continue to participate in the voluntary employee
20 contribution 401K plan.
21
22 Effective with the May 23, 2008 paycheck, the employer contribution
23 to the current 401K/Retirement Plans for all Mechanic and Related and Stock
24 Clerk employees is frozen from new Company contributions.
25
26 In order to be eligible for the Employee Savings Plan, the employee
27 must be eighteen (18) years of age or older. Additionally, an employee will be
28 eligible to participate in the Savings Plan effective the 1st of the quarter
29 following ninety (90) days of continuous employment. This includes part-time
30 and full-time employees. Participation in the Employees Savings Plan requires
31 employee enrollment.

 

[Tim Nelson]

700, u are incorrect. The contract stipulates that the company contribute. There is no escape for the company to stop contributions. Tell tommy to stop lying. Btw, tommy could end up a teamster like richie johnsen. Fwiw i like both of those guys but they have a job to do. Certainly both are better than the rest of the glr

 

[Tim Nelson]

700 u know u are lying or you are just incredibly stupid. Stop it!