Teamsters filed at USAir for representation

[blue collar]

Anybody that Votes for the Teamsters has to have a screw loose. There is one Teamster thug down in Charlotte that got fired from US because he has Anger Management issues and the Teamsters hired him to recruit members. Probably with a baseball knock at the door. We all need the IAM Pension or 401K equivalent not any Teamster garbage pension. We need our seniority protections etc. We have that with the IAM. I can't see losing two to three years of Pension voting in another representative group who are claiming to give us a $40 gift to bring Pensions up to present IAM numbers. Let alone that the IAM is trying to negotiate a $104/yr of service agreement. There is no upside to the Teamsters. Its all sideways or worse IMO.

Yeah, there is no upside to the teamsters. They won't force the company to give higher pay, they will just rearrange the money so it looks like higher pay, while giving away mx functions (look at UAL and how they are giving away tow to the ramp). And you get to pay more dues for that great service. I'm not a huge fan of the IAM, but I think they're better than the teamsters.

 

[Dilligas]

Lie#5 You can ask any of my members about my level of representation and skill, which blows yours away. How about the $15 milllion arbitration

Lie#6 Never compensated for anything and I went to PHL as a Stock Clerk and left US shortly after, then went to work for Freightliner then Philip Morris, then school and run my own small business.

Reference Lie #5 -- You cannot be serious. Lazy, loud and obnoxious does not mean effective or competent... although it seems to be an IAM inner circle prerequisite.

Reference Lie #6 -- Reminds me of something...

Back around 2005 there was a union "activist" (ahem) who went to PHL as a stock clerk from CLT. He lasted only one shift, and word is he left early to fly home on that shift. Then he was caught abusing "union business lost time", while he tried out his new job (at Freightliner) and was working a probationary period. He was terminated by US, and the mighty IAM could not save his job. He betrayed his peers while falsifying "union business" so he could see if he could hack his new job. (Which he also failed at.)

After being terminated he attempted to portray himself on these boards as still working at US, deflecting several pointed questions and comments regarding his employment status. After a period of time, he announced he "had left US Airways" and attempted to rewrite history. (People usually "leave" after being terminated.)

Do you remember that guy, 700? What do you think of a union guy who files for "lost time union business" to draw a check while working another job? Whatever happened to him?

 

[Airlinelifer]

All pensions at AA are Frozen. My understanding is that USAir contributes to the IAM pension. If true then the contributions stop once we are all one big happy company.
If USAir contributes a portion and the rest from the IAM that may be a different situation but yet they want to join alliances (TWU and IAM) so we will see how that works out.

I may be mistaken so if I am please feel free to correct my statement.
I unlike the IAM, TWU and the IBT do not want to mis lead anyone on false or inaccurate information.

USAir and post merger "New American" will still fund the IAM Pension until union representation is settled. I should know because Delta Airlines funded my IAM pension for two years (April 2008 - November 2010) until we lost the representation vote

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

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Reference Lie #5 -- You cannot be serious. Lazy, loud and obnoxious does not mean effective or competent... although it seems to be an IAM inner circle prerequisite.

Reference Lie #6 -- Reminds me of something...

Back around 2005 there was a union "activist" (ahem) who went to PHL as a stock clerk from CLT. He lasted only one shift, and word is he left early to fly home on that shift. Then he was caught abusing "union business lost time", while he tried out his new job (at Freightliner) and was working a probationary period. He was terminated by US, and the mighty IAM could not save his job. He betrayed his peers while falsifying "union business" so he could see if he could hack his new job. (Which he also failed at.)

After being terminated he attempted to portray himself on these boards as still working at US, deflecting several pointed questions and comments regarding his employment status. After a period of time, he announced he "had left US Airways" and attempted to rewrite history. (People usually "leave" after being terminated.)

Do you remember that guy, 700? What do you think of a union guy who files for "lost time union business" to draw a check while working another job? Whatever happened to him?

Wow (edited) is even worse then I thought. Thank you for filling me in..I knew he was fired but didn't know the details...

Is that around when he changed his name to 700UW from Lavman?

http://www.airlinefo...age__hl__lavman

LavMan was permanently banned for making a direct threat, a threat which could cause serious injury or even death to a person. We clearly respect your petition, but how can we allow members threaten to harm one and other?

Any comment Mr (edited) 700UW AKA Lavman?

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

USAir and post merger "New American" will still fund the IAM Pension until union representation is settled. I should know because Delta Airlines funded my IAM pension for two years (April 2008 - November 2010) until we lost the representation vote

After representation and new contract or transition is settled?

 

[Tim Nelson]

700 basically was pimping off the local and the story goes that he saved jc butt so when jc got the gig in the intl, 700 was brought on to work for the iam by patrolling the internet and firebombing all organizations and individuals who dont bow down to the iam.
He didnt realize it at the time but he negotiated his whole craft away but the iam took care of him. Not sure by what front service they pay him by but he doesnt do this for free unless he has serious unresolved issues that should be tended to. regards,

 

[TRAVIS]

Well we agree on this, The Pension is a issue that needs to be looked at hard.I do not want to see anyone loose a pension AA or US.
I do know the IBT can't just Take your Pension. First we have to negotiate with the company to even have a pension with the IBT,
Then we have to VOTE on a pension plan or 401k or both.
All I Know is we vote on it and what plan we want, The IBT doesn't just put you in a plan as some on here think and that was what I was told by the IBT..
Now as I understand it while we are in negotiations the current plan is still funded by the Co.per the cba. Now as for AA yours is frozen and I don't have any Info: on that....
One thing I wanted to know was if you have a full fund paln and lets say you did not want to join the plan we vote in can you leave it were it is and just go with a 401k?(as I understand it you can but not sure) Tim may know or usairways_vote_no he has some good info on the plan.and seems to know his stuff.
Now as far as which union time will tell soon!

PS HAVE A NICE __ __ __ NIGHT!!!

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Well we agree on this, The Pension is a issue that needs to be looked at hard.I do not want to see anyone loose a pension AA or US.
I do know the IBT can't just Take your Pension. First we have to negotiate with the company to even have a pension with the IBT,
Then we have to VOTE on a pension plan or 401k or both.
All I Know is we vote on it and what plan we want, The IBT doesn't just put you in a plan as some on here think and that was what I was told by the IBT..
Now as I understand it while we are in negotiations the current plan is still funded by the Co.per the cba. Now as for AA yours is frozen and I don't have any Info: on that....
One thing I wanted to know was if you have a full fund paln and lets say you did not want to join the plan we vote in can you leave it were it is and just go with a 401k?(as I understand it you can but not sure) Tim may know or usairways_vote_no he has some good info on the plan.and seems to know his stuff.
Now as far as which union time will tell soon!

PS HAVE A NICE __ __ __ NIGHT!!!

What you earned in a pension can't be lost solely from a change in representation.

You can only vote on what the union gives you to vote on. If they want you in their pension then you won't see any T/A to vote on without it in there unless the company won't agree to a T/A with one. Or the company throws out a LBO without a union pension included.

 

[TRAVIS]

What you earned in a pension can't be lost solely from a change in representation.

You can only vote on what the union gives you to vote on. If they want you in their pension then you won't see any T/A to vote on without it in there unless the company won't agree to a T/A with one. Or the company throws out a LBO without a union pension included.

I was told we got to choose the plan from the IBT.. can you leave the pension where it is and start a new pension with the new representation or do you have to move it. some may have time to do this... lol

 

[Tim Nelson]

If the iam is voted out, one doesnt lose whatever credit he has gained. It is absurd that 700 and others even threat things like that. According to most iam contracts, the company contributions go into a 401k if the iam is fired.
Imo, i seriously doubt the new american agrees to dump the amr employees in any union pension, iam or ibt, since these union pensions are in a real jam. At united, the company vehemently refused to dump 16,000 former continental employees in the iampf even though the iam begged.

 

[Tim Nelson]

And im a bit nervous that my iampfmay be screwed again if the mx fires the iam. The last time the union lost members in an election, i received a drop dead letter 3 days later saying tuffa lucka

 

[TRAVIS]

NEXT IBT wingding I can make I'll try to get some hard fact on it. I like the 401k myself.

 

[TRAVIS]

And im a bit nervous that my iampfmay be screwed again if the mx fires the iam. The last time the union lost members in an election, i received a drop dead letter 3 days later saying tuffa lucka

lets hope for a brighter pic ok

 

[700UW]

Funny you guys have to make up so much stuff.

I never was paid by the IAM to post on the board. I havent recieved any pay from the IAM nor worked for them since 2005, once again Tim I ask you to post from LL1725, DL 142 or the International LM-2 after that year.

Keep lying.

Funny Tim, you keep making up stuff, do you work for the Grimm Brothers?

I know about that guy, he went to PHL then was assigned to CO IAM FA negotiations, went back to PHL.

Had surgery on his feet, used up all his sick time and left.

That guy wasnt fired for abusing lost time.

And Tim I was with 142, not the International and had nothing to do with JC, as I was all ready involved before JC.

Funny you keep making up this stuff, you make me laugh.

 

[1AA]

NEXT IBT wingding I can make I'll try to get some hard fact on it. I like the 401k myself.

401K's were not intended to replace a defined plan. It was to supplement any current plan you had. Unfortunately many have been led to believe that a 401K is a direct replacement of a defined pension plan. Many financial experts have said that a 401K is not enough for one to retire on. With the addition of a defined pension plan it is a good supplement to the short falls of a defined plan. Many can not afford to contribute enough to a 401K to match what a defined plan can pay out. This is why we all are very critical of whatever pensions we have left. With all the talk of the Teamsters pensions being in trouble and underfunded as well as Hoffa pushing congress to pass Pension reform one should think long and hard before voting for the Teamsters. Too many questions unanswered. Once you pull the trigger on the Teamsters it may be too late. At least with the status quo you know what you have. It is not about pay but benefits that we all should be concerned about.