Kev3188
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...And at DL, the work can be changed "at any time, for any reason." There is no cap, and there's really nothing saying high value component work (or HMV, for that matter) will stay.700UW said:
stop the outsourcing?
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no, it sucks for you to have to come to grips that I can see thru your arguments and so can DL people.
good for the unions for bringing some work back.
it represents more outsourcing that DL does and also those other carriers have increased their outsourcing while DL has remained flat.
IOW, the unions cannot prove that they are able to provide more job protection from outsourcing than what DL does for its own employees.
then why didn't you just mention NW alone? DL had nothing to do with it.
but yet the real benchmark is what actually IS done, not what could be done.
DL has a lower rate of total maintenance outsourcing than UA, US, or WN - and DL insources about 25% of the value it spends on its own maintenance so DL's net outsourcing is actually half of what AA does inhouse.
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You are so thick headed its pathetic, DL outsources ALL their airframe overhauls, ALL, is that too hard to comprehend?
They fly planes half way around the world for cabin mods.
PMUS and PMAA overhaul more of their own fleet than anyother US Based Airline.
Those are facts.
They fly empty planes to LHR to get bug sprayed.
They fly planes half way around the world for cabin mods.
PMUS and PMAA overhaul more of their own fleet than anyother US Based Airline.
Those are facts.
They fly empty planes to LHR to get bug sprayed.
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dont forget sending empty 330s to singapore or some third world asian place for INTERIOR work
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and yet US, UA, and WN spend more of their total maintenance dollars on outsourced maintenance than does DL.
those are facts that are backed up by DOT data which is provided by each airline.
US obviously is completely unrepentant as it sends its outsourcing figures to the DOT every year.
The reason why AA and US don't spray their planes is because they don't fly to, wait, wait, Australia which requires that the planes be treated someplace - and the US does not allow it to be done on US soil. Having been on foreign airlines on which the FAs spray the cabin with passengers on board, I can absolutely assure that the vast majority of DL passengers do not want to be fumigated in their seats.
if you come up with a better plan for DL to spray its planes, be sure and let DL know... they might cut you in on the money they have saved.
If you think that AA isn't flying empty planes to/from China for maintenance, then you are naïve and AA is doing it whether you believe it or not just as does every airline that does heavy maintenance overseas.
those are facts that are backed up by DOT data which is provided by each airline.
US obviously is completely unrepentant as it sends its outsourcing figures to the DOT every year.
The reason why AA and US don't spray their planes is because they don't fly to, wait, wait, Australia which requires that the planes be treated someplace - and the US does not allow it to be done on US soil. Having been on foreign airlines on which the FAs spray the cabin with passengers on board, I can absolutely assure that the vast majority of DL passengers do not want to be fumigated in their seats.
if you come up with a better plan for DL to spray its planes, be sure and let DL know... they might cut you in on the money they have saved.
If you think that AA isn't flying empty planes to/from China for maintenance, then you are naïve and AA is doing it whether you believe it or not just as does every airline that does heavy maintenance overseas.
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'Cause the post I quoted noted both, and mixed & matched PM hangar closures.WorldTraveler said:
Why didn't you do a close read of what 700 wrote before trying to jump his sh*t?
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I'm jumping nothing.... but this is what you wrote.
and as much as you or he wants to think otherwise, DL and NW do not have a shared history, unless of course you would like to acknowledge that DL developed the Great Circle Route from the US to Asia via Alaska and the N. Pacific.
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No one's saying they did.
You can stop digging anytime you'd like.
You can stop digging anytime you'd like.
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fair enough.... but perhaps you or 700 - maybe you can tag team - can explain how US managed to close less hangars - or did they? - and still contract out more of their maintenance spend than DL?
or does "quit digging" mean you don't really want to read any more that all of the arguments about what the unions can do regarding outsourcing really fall flat on their faces with even a cursory look at the facts?
what was the purpose of this thread anyway?
or does "quit digging" mean you don't really want to read any more that all of the arguments about what the unions can do regarding outsourcing really fall flat on their faces with even a cursory look at the facts?
what was the purpose of this thread anyway?
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It means put down the shovel, and grab a ladder...
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sorry if I missed it, but did you acknowledge that the notion that unions do a better job of protecting jobs from outsourcing isn't valid?
since the original basis of the thread was that somehow DL's outsourcing is connected with terrorism and E pretty well established that notion is rubbish, maybe it is time to lock this one up?
since the original basis of the thread was that somehow DL's outsourcing is connected with terrorism and E pretty well established that notion is rubbish, maybe it is time to lock this one up?
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the rate of US' total maintenance outsourcing jumped from 37 to 57% between 2004 and 2005. it briefly dipped to 52% for a year but has remained above 50% for a decade.
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2013%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Productivity/Individual%20Employee%20Data/US%20Airways%20Employee%20Data%20and%20Analysis.htm
you can tell me the reasons but UA only went above 50% in outsourcing last year. AA and DL never have been that high.
WN has never been BELOW 55% and they are consistently held out as the gold standard to which airline employees should attain to.
now, other than terrorism, outsourcing, and Minnesotans, what connections would you like to make about unionization and outsourcing?
http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2013%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Productivity/Individual%20Employee%20Data/US%20Airways%20Employee%20Data%20and%20Analysis.htm
you can tell me the reasons but UA only went above 50% in outsourcing last year. AA and DL never have been that high.
WN has never been BELOW 55% and they are consistently held out as the gold standard to which airline employees should attain to.
now, other than terrorism, outsourcing, and Minnesotans, what connections would you like to make about unionization and outsourcing?
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perfect... the IAM saves job, the company saves money.
I can't imagine why US could be happier.
Can you tell us how US manages to spend less money outsourcing higher value work compared to DL which does just the opposite?
I can't imagine why US could be happier.
Can you tell us how US manages to spend less money outsourcing higher value work compared to DL which does just the opposite?
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